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Old 06-03-2011, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Kids, old people, average people, dogs, cats, squirrels are going to get hit by cars - laws or not.

That's how life goes.

I mean someone could get t-boned in an intersection killing them. Should we then outlaw driving cars?

Where does the nanny state stop?
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Old 06-04-2011, 10:24 AM
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This whole issue arose out of a neighborhood dispute and a home owner upset about not planning ahead for a place for their children to play when they purchased a home.

Keep children out of the street and away from vehicles. Does that sound unreasonable?

This fight over one cul-de-sac has turned into a fight to change the rules for the entire town. Don't let the politicians fool you into believing they are thinking past November or that they will be at your child's funeral or hospital bed when your neighbor, who is late for ..., runs over your child.

Don't think that it can't happen here.

It does happen, it can happen, and will happen if the ordinance is changed. Open your minds and look at the make up of Apex and look at the map and count the cul-de-sacs. Tic-Tock.

2-year-old boy dies after being struck by car | The Columbus Dispatch

Student driver hits kids playing in cul-de-sac | KVAL CBS 13 - News, Weather and Sports - Eugene, OR - Eugene, Oregon | Offbeat

2-year-old boy killed by car in driveway - thestar.com
Really? You think the current law is keeping kids away from playing in cul-de-sacs? I invite you to take a drive through our neighborhood on any day of the week, kids are playing in cul-de-sacs all over the place.

This law is not preventing anything and changing it is not going to change behavior. I have talked to hundreds of people in Apex and not ONE person even knew that it was against the law.

Kids are going to keep doing what they already are doing. The police themselves told us that they do not enforce this law. They told us to go play in another cul-de-sac.

If you don't want your kids to play in the street, I respect that as your parenting decision. I should be allowed to make mine.
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Old 06-04-2011, 11:17 AM
 
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^^ What happened at the recent meeting?
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Old 06-04-2011, 12:24 PM
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At least three, potentially four councilmen were in favor of allowing young children to ride their bikes on the sidewalk and to allow play in cul-de-sacs.

They wanted some more time to look a little further into the legal/insurance issues and to revise the wording of the proposal. The vote should take place next month.
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Old 06-06-2011, 07:55 AM
 
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I'm not going to chime in on the 'debate" exactly, but being old (40) I just can't help but remember:

1. Riding in the back ledge of the car on trips, waving at folks...never worried about seatbelts, nor our parents.

2. Riding my bike, in the street, without a helmet nor any gear, and in shorts...jumping homeade ramps made out of scrap wood and seeing who could go farthest or highest...sometimes we would even taking turns jumping each other...pretending to be evil kenieval jumping 1 or 2 human bodies...yes sometimes someone got a tire in the gut....there were crashes and scrapes...no one ever got hurt bad at all...

3. we played hockey in the street (medium traffic, 30mph). we always yelled car. we got scolded for not yielding right of way

4. we rode dirtbikes without helmets

5. we ate sugar...the real stuff

6. we played games and built forts in the woods....we shot BB guns at each other and had wars...no one got hurt there either lol

7. a video game was not even a word yet...when PONG came out it was something rich familes had...i.e. not me....

8. cassette decks and radios had just come out....suddenly you could make your OWN MIX TAPE by waiting patiently during the "top ten" radio show with the cassette paused on record....if you were lucky, the darn DJ shut up and you managed to catch a clean version without his voice or station ID.....

9. cable TV was something brand new...again, rich folks had 11 channels....we had 3

10. We waved at the cops, who stopped and chatted. Back then at 11- 13 years old we werent possible thugs, theives, drug dealers...hanging out on the corner was something we did....talking smack and looking at the cars go by...We got the "stay outta trouble" speach sometimes, but our idea of trouble at worst was throwing snowballs at passing busses and some cars (admit not bright, but i was young, and it wasn't a rock like those kids thro off a bridge here in nc awhile back)

Man times have changed....keeping kids off the streets back then was just a given...if you brought up making a law about it then people would look at you like you said you saw a ufo...there was no problems then, no attitudes from us kids like today.

i hit a car with a snoball, the man stopped and got out, went to my house because i was dumb enough to hide in the bushes in MY own yard....told my mom and I got a lickin from grandpa right then, and had to apologise to the man crying with a sore ass...yeah, grandpa was old school


so what happend?
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Old 06-06-2011, 08:23 AM
 
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I'm not going to chime in on the 'debate" exactly, but being old (40) I just can't help but remember:

1. Riding in the back ledge of the car on trips, waving at folks...never worried about seatbelts, nor our parents.

2. Riding my bike, in the street, without a helmet nor any gear, and in shorts...jumping homeade ramps made out of scrap wood and seeing who could go farthest or highest...sometimes we would even taking turns jumping each other...pretending to be evil kenieval jumping 1 or 2 human bodies...yes sometimes someone got a tire in the gut....there were crashes and scrapes...no one ever got hurt bad at all...

3. we played hockey in the street (medium traffic, 30mph). we always yelled car. we got scolded for not yielding right of way

4. we rode dirtbikes without helmets

5. we ate sugar...the real stuff

6. we played games and built forts in the woods....we shot BB guns at each other and had wars...no one got hurt there either lol

7. a video game was not even a word yet...when PONG came out it was something rich familes had...i.e. not me....

8. cassette decks and radios had just come out....suddenly you could make your OWN MIX TAPE by waiting patiently during the "top ten" radio show with the cassette paused on record....if you were lucky, the darn DJ shut up and you managed to catch a clean version without his voice or station ID.....

9. cable TV was something brand new...again, rich folks had 11 channels....we had 3

10. We waved at the cops, who stopped and chatted. Back then at 11- 13 years old we werent possible thugs, theives, drug dealers...hanging out on the corner was something we did....talking smack and looking at the cars go by...We got the "stay outta trouble" speach sometimes, but our idea of trouble at worst was throwing snowballs at passing busses and some cars (admit not bright, but i was young, and it wasn't a rock like those kids thro off a bridge here in nc awhile back)

Man times have changed....keeping kids off the streets back then was just a given...if you brought up making a law about it then people would look at you like you said you saw a ufo...there was no problems then, no attitudes from us kids like today.

i hit a car with a snoball, the man stopped and got out, went to my house because i was dumb enough to hide in the bushes in MY own yard....told my mom and I got a lickin from grandpa right then, and had to apologise to the man crying with a sore ass...yeah, grandpa was old school


so what happend?
What happened? One word, entitlement.
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Old 06-06-2011, 08:42 AM
 
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What happened? One word, entitlement.

sad but true...
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Old 06-06-2011, 08:44 AM
 
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oops

I meant "Radios with built in cassette decks" had just come out

I typed that radios had just come out...I am not that old
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Old 07-24-2011, 09:26 PM
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I am sure you all saw the paper today or last week, but in case you didn't...the Apex town council voted in favor of the amendment to allow children to play in cul-de-sacs or dead end streets.

As a parent I obviously want what is best for my children, and I would only allow my children to play where I felt it was safe. I am glad I get to make that decision, I am glad to live in the USA
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Old 07-24-2011, 09:44 PM
 
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I am sure you all saw the paper today or last week, but in case you didn't...the Apex town council voted in favor of the amendment to allow children to play in cul-de-sacs or dead end streets.
Just in time for the 100+ degree heat! Nothing quite like playing on asphalt hot enough to fry and egg. My neighborhood is overflowing with kids, but these days seeing one of them outside on the street and away from the AC is about as common as seeing a unicorn gallop down the road!
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