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Then provide me with ONE real-life example of how it is damaging.
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Originally Posted by TehSamurai
Incorrect. When I say that men paying for women on dates is damaging, I mean that it creates a precedent where men are expected to pay for dates, and that the men who don't pay are seen in a negative light. All I have to do is pull up one quote in this thread alone to prove that.
Then provide me with ONE real-life example of how it is damaging.
What do you mean "one real life example"? Why is that the barometer when there are countless women online who clearly state that they expect the man to pay for dates? Doesn't that alone prove my point?
I don't know if I'm not explaining myself well, or if you enjoy playing obtuse. I asked for one real-life example to prove WHY and HOW it is ADVERSE. You have already made clear you don't like it, and you have already made clear that it is setting a bad example. Now PROVE how it has damaged you in REAL life.
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Originally Posted by TehSamurai
What do you mean "one real life example"? Why is that the barometer when there are countless women online who clearly state that they expect the man to pay for dates? Doesn't that alone prove my point?
I don't know if I'm not explaining myself well, or if you enjoy playing obtuse. I asked for one real-life example to prove WHY and HOW it is ADVERSE. You have already made clear you don't like it, and you have already made clear that it is setting a bad example. Now PROVE how it has damaged you in REAL life.
Why? How would that prove anything? I could come up with any fake story about how it affected my life, so why are you trying to get a real life example? Are you disagreeing with what I am saying? Are you claiming that women do not expect the man to pay? Are you claiming that women who expect men to pay do not judge men negatively when they want to go dutch?
Then provide me with ONE real-life example of how it is damaging.
Paying for an individual meal is hardly a damaging thing, by itself. However, the point is that the practice of the male always paying for the meal (and for everything else for that matter) is a holdover from a time when women were essentially second-class citizens and had little to no economic power. Great strides have been made in the past six decades, at least in the West, and though a wage gap remains more women are now in power careers than ever before, from doctors to professors to business leaders. And yet, the dating paradigm remains thus: guys pursue and ask the women out, and guys pay for the date(s). It doesn't matter that she makes more than enough in a week to pay her way through a hundred first dates, the expectation is still that the guy has to pay or he is "cheap" or that he "doesn't care", or my personal favorite, "is not a real man". Modern women can't have their cakes and eat them too.
Again no example. You're making it clear that there is actually no problem with men paying for their dates if you can't come up with even one example of how it damaged you.
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Originally Posted by TehSamurai
Why? How would that prove anything? I could come up with any fake story about how it affected my life, so why are you trying to get a real life example? Are you disagreeing with what I am saying? Are you claiming that women do not expect the man to pay? Are you claiming that women who expect men to pay do not judge men negatively when they want to go dutch?
You're making the same claim as he was: 'on principle I don't like it.'
I still have no real life examples of how it is a damaging thing, not from you, and not from him.
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Originally Posted by Inebriated Duck
Paying for an individual meal is hardly a damaging thing, by itself. However, the point is that the practice of the male always paying for the meal (and for everything else for that matter) is a holdover from a time when women were essentially second-class citizens and had little to no economic power. Great strides have been made in the past six decades, at least in the West, and though a wage gap remains more women are now in power careers than ever before, from doctors to professors to business leaders. And yet, the dating paradigm remains thus: guys pursue and ask the women out, and guys pay for the date(s). It doesn't matter that she makes more than enough in a week to pay her way through a hundred first dates, the expectation is still that the guy has to pay or he is "cheap" or that he "doesn't care", or my personal favorite, "is not a real man". Modern women can't have their cakes and eat them too.
Again no example. You're making it clear that there is actually no problem with men paying for their dates if you can't come up with even one example of how it damaged you.
Your line of reasoning is nonsense. If my point is that women would view a man negatively if they do not pay for a date, wouldn't quotes from women saying as much prove my point? You are being ridiculous.
You've made your point quite clear. It damages nothing. You simply don't like it.
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Originally Posted by TehSamurai
Your line of reasoning is nonsense. If my point is that women would view a man negatively if they do not pay for a date, wouldn't quotes from women saying as much prove my point? You are being ridiculous.
You've made your point quite clear. It damages nothing. You simply don't like it.
I don't like it and it negatively affects men who are not willing to pay for the women as well. Your nonsensical attempt to disprove my point did nothing.
My point is that a lot of women (yourself included, judging from your posts) will not take a man seriously as a romantic prospect if they do not pay for dates. You have done nothing to refute that. Again, if you want, I can pull quotes of women on here stating as much.
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