What are your thoughts on pre-nups? (dates, spouses, friends, average)
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In my first marriage I had a prenup and was thankful I did. When we were courting, she was affectionate and adventuresome and seemed like the prefect wife. 2 weeks after our honeymoon she moved into another bedrooms because "she had to work and couldn't sleep with another person making noise or moving". At that point I should have cut my losses and moved on but fool that I was, eternal optimist and hopeless romantic I figured I could make it work. No matter what I did it was never enough, I stuck to her OCD routines, did everything she liked but it was like swimming like crazy and winding up in the same spot. In the end it was futile especially since she was banking her sizable paycheck we were living off my income. I went along because we had vastly different net worths when we married and I figured it was only fair. She inherited a massive pile of cash and we were almost equal in net worth and I asked her to pay for something at least. That went over badly and the end soon followed. I got out without severe financial distress thanks to my prenup. When I was planing on remarrying I followed the same routine and had a prenup drawn up and it looked like it was going to be a major issue so I tore it up (figuratively) and married without one. I am glad I did and I am much more attuned to making my marriage work without a safety net. From my experience a prenup cuts 2 ways, you may not work as hard on your marriage because you know if it fails you have your prenup to fall back on. Without one you really have to give it your all. It depends on your circumstances and many other factor and its a big decision not to be taken lightly. You have to ask yourself "am I prepared to let her walk if she doesn't sign?"
The lack of a prenup may make YOU work harder to make the marriage work but that isn't necessarily true for the other person who has nothing to lose and everything to gain by divorcing. Unless you have skin in the game there is no risk.
She basically had a net worth of zero. But was very hot, ten years younger and he liked her family a lot.
And there ya go. Guys are complaining and worrying about getting cheated out of their potential net worth thru divorce. Well jeez guys marry someone on your own level. Try a woman with a equivalent level of education, assets and earnings as well as ideologies and goals. If your only priorities are hot and young, really, STFUP. Everything comes with a price.
And there ya go. Guys are complaining and worrying about getting cheated out of their potential net worth thru divorce. Well jeez guys marry someone on your own level. Try a woman with a equivalent level of education, assets and earnings as well as ideologies and goals. If your only priorities are hot and young, really, STFUP. Everything comes with a price.
Those type of women look like Janet Reno, no thanks.
Something else, you can put your property in a trust before you get married, she cant touch it
I disagree. Maybe that's the case in some places, but here, fathers are getting a big share of custody, even at the expense of the children (who may only be used to time alone with mom). And there's a reason women get more alimony: they're more often staying home to raise children, or earning less money than their husbands. In cases where the woman earns more, she's likely to be paying.
Anecdotal evidence isn't really evidence at all. Based on factual government data
" Across a wide range of jurisdictions the estimates are that mothers receive primary custody 68-88% of the time, fathers receive primary custody 8-14%, and equal residential custody is awarded in only 2-6% of the cases."
With child custody come child support payments for the first 18 years of the child. This money can be spent in any which way the custodial parent pleases. Lets not forget, child benefits most by having both parents involved in their life, unless special circumstances exist. Wonder why that is, if below is also a fact:
"The DHHS data shows that of children abused by one parent between 2001 and 2006, 70.6% were abused by their mothers, whereas only 29.4% were abused by their fathers.
And of children who died at the hands of one parent between 2001 and 2006, 70.8% were killed by their mothers, whereas only 29.2% were killed by their fathers.
Furthermore, contrary to media portrayals that leave the viewer with the impression that only girls are ever harmed, boys constituted fully 60% of child fatalities. (Table 4-3, p. 71, Child Maltreatment 2006, Child Maltreatment 2006 | Children's Bureau | Administration for Children and Families, reports that 675 boys died in 2006 as compared to 454 girls)."
Lets not forget our favorite shout out. EVERY single feminist organization, including NOW has fiercely fought AGAINST shared parenting, where fathers could be more present in their childrens lives. TIme to wake up people. Open up your eyes and ears, and educate yourself on whats going on around you.
If I was a woman and a rich man whom I had a nice relationship came up with the prenup on my face I would feel pretty bad. How do people bring these things up in a conversation? How would women feel if they had a nice relationship with a rich man and before getting married he came up with a prenup?
A pre-nup is insulting I would say to 99.9% of women. My buddy who actually got married later in life when he already made around $500,000 a year, owned around one million in real estate (equity) and had around one million in stocks asked his future spouse how she felt about pre-nups and she was like I would never marry a man who did not trust me and had to ask for one.. She basically had a net worth of zero. But was very hot, ten years younger and he liked her family a lot.
He went to his lawyer who told him. Your Million dollar SoHo condo is in your name alone, Your Porsche your name alone, your bank and stock account your name alone. If you get divorced and had no kids, marriage is less then ten years, since she is young, healthy and has a college degree the most she could get is 50% of the money you made during the marriage. She is not entitled in NY to anything in your name pre-marriage. It is not a community property state.
He also added the pre-nup if your marriage is over ten years, you have kids is pretty worthless. And by the way she said she does not want to sign a pre-nup, you have been dating several years, you promised to marry her, she has never cheated on you. And now you force upon her you will back out without a pre-nup and have her sign a pre-nup no legal representation or the wedding does not happen and she ends up with egg on her face. Yea good luck with that.
As your lawyer I recommend no pre-nup and if you feel you need one don't marry her.
Guess what that was 2005. They now crossed ten years, had a kid and moved to California, a community property state. He is worth maybe 20 million today. Wow if they got divorced he still have ten million an amazing ten years of sex with a super hot young wife and has a son who looks like a model, he is at best average looking but his kid got a lot of the good looking genes.
He is now 53 and wife is 43 so she did give up the best years. At 43, divorced with a kid her hotness is about to fade and she no longer can ever get a rich single guy to marry her. She earned the ten million .
Isnt that prostitution? She gave up her best years? What does that even mean? ANd 10 million in 10 years, that's a lot of different escorts every year, if you have a cold million to throw away.
If I ever got divorced I would let her have everything, house, cars, furniture, money, etc.. regardless of a pre nup if she wanted it. Much easier that way and what better way to a fresh start than to start new. With that being said I know many people that would not do this so a pre nup is insurance. Regardless of having the best intentions to stay married a pre nup is like having car insurance. You don't plan on having an accident but if you do its there to help. Each person should come out of the marriage the same way they went in if they cant settle.
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