Do you believe in evolution? (scriptures, procreation, genesis, church)

[rifleman]

Originally Posted by old_cold

No comment on this?
Is it completely made up?

Answer: I did, with statistics. Remember?: my commentary about singular one-at-a-time, step-wise versus multi-parallel processing? And uncountable numbers of biochemical processors operating at the same time? For billinos of years?

I only explain it once though.... After all, this is not a Science Theory class. You can go take those, like I did, for >> 15 accumulated years. But all for naught, you think?

[old_cold]

Originally Posted by rifleman

Answer: I did, with statistics. Remember?: my commentary about singular one-at-a-time, step-wise versus multi-parallel processing? And uncountable numbers of biochemical processors operating at the same time? For billinos of years?

I only explain it once though.... After all, this is not a Science Theory class. You can go take those, like I did, for >> 15 accumulated years. But all for naught, you think?

Soory rifleman....
but if you use 'remember'....meaning memory to me...at my age...it does not compute
I will attempt a search for that since Ididn't notice it being in this thread.
The other possibility is that you did...in this thread...and it went way over my head...a distinct possibility!

[agnostic soldier]

Originally Posted by edub

I believed in evolution much more BEFORE becoming a biology major.

I still believe that evolution is something that does occur in life. But, the fact is evolution falls for short of explaining as much as people might think.

Evolution is supposedly based on beneficial mutations in DNA (99.9% of which are harmful) which create a mutation (usually too minute to matter) that is expressed in an organism. At the same time, some natural occurrence must (just so happen to) occur that when combined with the minuscule mutation makes that individual significantly more fit.

The biggest problem with this theory is in the question of how DNA which is a highly complex information system came to be. DNA is a string of nucleotides and there is no way one string can be more "fit" than another. So, DNA itself couldn't have evolved and in order to argue that it did one MUST employ a circular argument (because evolution is based on DNA mutation).

Plus, a virtual biological factory of about 50 mechanisms is required for decoding DNA and synthesizing protein structures. If you study this process in depth (which I have done in agonizing detail), one can only conclude that evolution can not explain the existence of this system. To do so would require circular reasoning.

Now some might argue that this highly complex system just occurred randomly. That would be like putting a million Scrabble pieces in a huge can, shaking them up and dumping them out enough times until the pieces formed "War and Peace."

If anyone can explain how protein synthesis and DNA pre-evolved I'd like to hear the explanation.

I'd suggest paying more attention in your biology classes. You're using the Design argument which has been widely discredited. Comparing a natural phenomena(evolution) with man made objects(scrabble pieces) is like comparing apples and oranges. It assumes they work the same, when in actuality they do not. This also leads to another flaw in your argument. It makes the argument from ignorance. You don't know how DNA could have evolved through natural processes, therefore it must have been a god.

While Rifleman can explain it better than I can(for they've had many years of experience actually working in the field) protein synthesis and DNA pre evolving could be explained by the RNA world hypothesis.

[sukrill]

Originally Posted by sanspeur

You mean like the counting chimps from the Japanese university...You think that was put on youtube for entertainment purposes?...

your missing the point... i can show you a youtube video on how theres proof of god, and you wont accept it. you can show me videos on proof of evolution and i wont accept it. my point is that you use the videos you choose to say that are true and mine are untrue. but what makes your videos any more right than mine? the fact that you choose not to accept it? but that doesnt make it right. my point being you arguing with charlotte about whether or not aliens have visited us or not is based completely on opinion. no proof. because like im trying to explain to you, youtube is not a legitimate site to get proof from. i can find "proof" that there is god and that there isnt... same with evolution.

Originally Posted by sanspeur

Your problem is that you just don't like any truth that conflicts with your notion of what is true

truth from youtube?... my whole point is that theres no real proof on youtube. you can find strong evidence for both sides of any argument/debate.

Originally Posted by sanspeur

You tube is not just for entertainment...There are lots of educational videos too...

ya but youll only accept what your opinionated to accept. meaning youll agree with the videos that back up your claims but as far as any videos on that same site that counterclaim/contradict what you believe, you'll ignore it... my point is that you cant play both sides, by posting youtube clips saying "look what i found" because anyone can type in something that disagrees with that video just by typing "false" at the end of the phrase in the search box.

[sukrill]

Originally Posted by Gplex

Of course I took it literally, how could I not!
You mean have sex, kill each other, excreting feces, eating other life forms, dying... yea that sounds so different from the rest of the animal kingdom...

because it was a general statement. i meant, because you obvioulsy couldnt comprehend what i was saying, is that elephants dont build building, they dont create any sort of technology, etc. more complicated things than the obvious.

Originally Posted by Gplex

Elephants already paint! But when humans do it, it's some sort of magnificent achievement of design, when an animal does it, its a "trick". The unshakable bias/dogma of one incapable of reasoning.

ya when a single elephant does it its a trick. maybe a tricks not the right word but what does that mean, according to evolution the babies of that elephant should then begin painting too then huh? then we'll have a bunch of elephants one day that can paint! awesome! that doesnt sound imaginary at all!... incapable of reasoning... ya right...

Originally Posted by Gplex

I never claim there is no god, I just said the god you describe can't exist because of X, Y and Z.

o so your like sanspuer now? playing both sides? i never claimed there was no god but i never said there is one either... okkk... and the god "i believe" cant exist? you mean the same god you do and dont believe in? how many gods do you think there are? because i just believe in one. and im almost sure you believe in only one too... or maybe you dont.. idk...

Originally Posted by Gplex

"you can believe we came from apes"
Equally as silly as saying:
You can believe we came from mammals.
You can believe we came from vertebrates.

WE ARE APES/MAMMALS/VERTEBRATES!!!!!

The only person here that are making claims are you. I am stating facts.

really good "facts"i never said we arent mammals, or that were not vertebrates, i just said were not apes. theres many mammals with vertebrate. its silly for me not to believe we came from apes, but its a fact that all mammals and vertebrates came from apes?... thats factual to you?... all the monkeys and chimps, etc, came from a single ape like creature? hmmm... why would they need to change if theyre fine just the way the are?... to get better... o right, because elephants need to one day be artist and paint because its only necessary to save the entire species... sure...

Originally Posted by Gplex

We have a saying in physics.. when theory contradicts experimentation, there may be a little fight, but experimentation ALWAYS wins.

i really dont know why i even responded because i already know what your going to say, something along the lines of the elephant painting deal was just an example of what they are capable of... possibly that they will do more in the future... and im sure beached whales are planning a multi-million generational plan to one day walk on land... your theories to me, do not make sense, they just dont add up. can i say your wrong? no, can i say your right? no, but i can definately say that you believe something totally different than i do. and thats fact.

[sukrill]

Originally Posted by Mooseketeer

Does anyone else find it terryfying that almost 21% of C-D posters do not believe in Evolution ? This is a terrible indictment of modern education standards is it not ?


Darwin would be spinning in his grave at how little we have evolved in the last 150 years...


If 21% of people believed in Fairies and Leprechauns or The Easter Bunny I suspect there would be a rather violent backlash and formal policies would be put in place to stop the descent into fantasy.

The words "mental illness" would no doubt be brandished around at the believers... Mental hospitals would be full to capacity and I can imagine Mental health specialists having a field day with the "fantasy derangement syndrome"...


Why is it that creationism is somehow given a special status ? I remain bemused and to be honest a little horrifed . 2010 and the results of this poll make it appear more like 1010 .

whats even more scary is that your species may evolve to one day believe in the same god everyone else does

[sanspeur]

Originally Posted by sukrill

your missing the point... i can show you a youtube video on how theres proof of god, and you wont accept it. you can show me videos on proof of evolution and i wont accept it. my point is that you use the videos you choose to say that are true and mine are untrue. but what makes your videos any more right than mine? the fact that you choose not to accept it?

Because the ones I choose to post are backed by scientific evidence...Yours are not.

but that doesnt make it right. my point being you arguing with charlotte about whether or not aliens have visited us or not is based completely on opinion. no proof. because like im trying to explain to you, youtube is not a legitimate site to get proof from. i can find "proof" that there is god and that there isnt... same with evolution.

Nothing wrong with a Youtube video that can be backed up by research and evidence...You certainly cannot pick them willy nilly, and that goes for anything found on the web or in print..Unlike evolution there is no proof of the existence of God, or aliens.

truth from youtube?... my whole point is that theres no real proof on youtube. you can find strong evidence for both sides of any argument/debate.

You are wrong....For one thing there is no evidence of God, strong or otherwise..Why do I have to keep repeating myself to you?

ya but youll only accept what your opinionated to accept. meaning youll agree with the videos that back up your claims but as far as any videos on that same site that counterclaim/contradict what you believe, you'll ignore it... my point is that you cant play both sides, by posting youtube clips saying "look what i found" because anyone can type in something that disagrees with that video just by typing "false" at the end of the phrase in the search box.

I'll say it again...Nothing wrong with a Youtube video that can be backed up by research and evidence...

[sukrill]

Originally Posted by Rafius

You have no science or history to back up your god claims....not a scrap!

i have just as much science and history to back up my claims as you do yours. you wont accept it, but that doesnt mean its not true, its what i believe. youve never seen god, ive never seen evolution happen before my eyes. same thing. we just believe differently, if you want to down my beliefs i can down yours but at the end of the day where does that get us. we're both here. we're both alive, i say "praise god" and you say whatever is is you say that your alive today if you say anything. that may make us different in our beliefs but regardless we're both human beings. we can be civil with eachother. so we can argue back and forth as to "who's right" or "your wrong" but i'd rather save my breath for someone who actually wants to listen and not just argue, which i dont doubt you think the same.

[sukrill]

Originally Posted by agnostic soldier

I guess you got bamboozled by all of that technical jargon in my post. You should think about looking outside your holy text for answers though. As I said, humans fit the scientific definition of apes, which is different from what a layman considers to be an ape.

ok let me break something down for you, we may match scientifically in some ways, but that means nothing. it just means that we are similar. A chicken a dog and duck have the same number of chromosomes, tabacco and chimps have the same number of chromosomes. does that mean they all had a common ancestor? no. to me it just means that thats the way they were created.

[Jazzymom]

Originally Posted by sukrill

whats even more scary is that your species may evolve to one day believe in the same god everyone else does

I believe in evolution and G-d. Many people who understand evolution also believe in G-d.