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I have received a DM from someone objecting to have been called a sinner. I expressed that viewpoint on another thread.
I believe this is a tenet that is shared by most, if not all, Christian churches. One reference to this idea is Romans 3: 21-23. That entire chapter is well worth reviewing.
Now, if I am incorrect or misguilded I would like to be corrected as this is what I have alway heard preached. Do different denomonations teach this concept differently?
I agree with Padgett, as far as I know all denoms teach that all are sinners.
I don't know why anyone would be insulted by this, we include ourselves in this category as well. We are not just pointing fingers. Romans says that "All have sinned..."
Some Christians have issues with being referred to as "sinners" (after salvation) because they feel that after you are saved, while you are not without sin, your primary nature is not to sin, but to be righteous. I don't know if I'm articulating this very well. (And no, I didn't send Padgett a dm, but I do understand this perspective.) As far as I know, all Christian denominations, however, do teach that we are born sinners.
Some Christians have issues with being referred to as "sinners" (after salvation) because they feel that after you are saved, while you are not without sin, your primary nature is not to sin, but to be righteous. I don't know if I'm articulating this very well. (And no, I didn't send Padgett a dm, but I do understand this perspective.)
I don't see any difference between "not without sin" and "sinner".
Also, if your primary nature is not to sin, that still doesn't qualify as "not without sin", right?
I'm not playing head games - I just have an obsession with language and definition.
I really didn't realize that any Christians had a problem with the term "sinner".
Acknowledging your own sin is the first prerequisite to being Christian, no?
Kaykay, I see your point. I can see how others would feel the same. Thank you for the explanation.
I would like a little more instruction about it. Is there scripture that states that once a person is saved, they are no longer a sinner? Or is this just a concept that has developed from something else.
What denomonations would teach this concept? Or is it one of the non-denominational things that vary from congregation to congregation?
If we teach that the bible is God's true and holy word, where does that leave verses like Romans 3: 21-24?
Sin is an archery term which means missing the mark. If you are knowingly driving too fast that is considered a sin. Sin has different price tags ,but sin is sin and God hates sin.
We are all sinners saved by grace and that we accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior into our lives
Kaykay, I see your point. I can see how others would feel the same. Thank you for the explanation.
I would like a little more instruction about it. Is there scripture that states that once a person is saved, they are no longer a sinner? Or is this just a concept that has developed from something else.
What denomonations would teach this concept? Or is it one of the non-denominational things that vary from congregation to congregation?
If we teach that the bible is God's true and holy word, where does that leave verses like Romans 3: 21-24?
Well, there is a scripture in I believe, I John, which states basically that he that is born of God does not sin. (It is my understand that in the original language the tense is such that is means something to the effect of "he that is born of God does not continually sin." Because John says in the same letter that if we say we are "without sin" we are liars. John also says to not sin, but if you do sin that we have an advocate in Jesus and we are to confess our sin and be forgiven and cleansed. As for the passage in Romans you quoted, (I'm at work and can't look it up.) I think you
refer to a passage where Paul is speaking of the good that he would do he does not, etc. I have heard argument whether he is referring to himself before salvation here rather than after.
In short, I would again just repeat that I think some people feel that it is more theologically correct to describe Christians as "righteous" rather than sinners.
b.Frank, all I can say is that the word "sinner" in some people's mind (not necessarily mine) denotes someone who is habitually sinning rather than someone who stumbles and falls into sin and then repents. And yes, to be saved, the first step is to admit that you are a sinner. (Any objection to the term would be after salvation, not before.)
I don't think this teaching is prevalent in any certain denomination. It seems like semantics to me, but I have heard this position expressed and so I kinda know where they're coming from.
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but I do understand this perspective.) As far as I know, all Christian denominations, however, do teach that we are born sinners.
Sinners?
