The Shroud of Turin???? (atheism, gospel, baptism, Biblical)
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Again, no pigment found on this shroud. Could be some primitive photo effect but again no paint pigment present. An educated artist who used real blood in his art perhaps. An educated artist who knew those who hung on the cross 1300 years before that arm sockets became dislocated. Now if you want to add on about my "con" that would be interesting.
No paint???
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Shortly after I learned through careful study of the 32 sticky-tapes taken from the Shroud that the image substance was paint, I made up two paints; one with pigment (red ochre) and gelatin solution and the other with diluted blood. The red ochre paint was 0.01% pigment and 0.01% gelatin in water. The blood paint was 3% whole blood in water. I made up these two paints for two reasons: first, to determine the amount of iron (as red ochre) that is needed to register a visible image (it turned out to be about 3 micrograms per square centimeter); second, to compare sticky tape samples from linen cloths painted with both paints. The red ochre-painted linen yielded tapes indistinguishable from the Shroud tapes.
Interesting. For decades I've read there's plenty of blood on the shroud and no paint pigment. Now McCrone comes along and lo and behold no blood plenty of paint. Go figure.
Again, no pigment found on this shroud. Could be some primitive photo effect but again no paint pigment present. An educated artist who used real blood in his art perhaps. An educated artist who knew those who hung on the cross 1300 years before that arm sockets became dislocated.
Again, the artist didn't have to know those that (allegedly) "hung on the cross 1300 years before"....he just had to know the story of those who (allegedly) hung on the cross 1300 years before.
if its fake tyhen how come scientists that have been working on it for the last 30 years cant understand it,it has been proven not to be a fake,but also their is no real evidance that it is Jesus' imprint on it bar the evidence known,although yer man at the end said that if this was takin t0 a court of law the evidence that is known would certainly point to that.it is a mystery and the church only said that they ere unsure of what it was.
ho come if a scientist was working on a theory over the last 30 years that ,lets say pointed to evolution,that you and most atheists would cdertainly accept their conclusions,but yet when scientific means discover a complete mystery about something like this and point to the fact that although they dont know exactly what it is,they sure know what its not and that my freind is that its not a fake,,,,,,,,,,the historical evidence surely points to what it is although the scientific evidence cant,,its a mystery m8,a magical one.
That's because all the work on this shroud has been contradictory, in conflict and with distinctly different results depending on whom you find working on it.
Now, in complete opposition, as to Evolution, we've had a persistently growing conclusion based on the independent work, in unrelated areas of science, (i.e.; geology, genetics, biology, ocean chemistry, astronomy, nuclear isotopic tools, and so on), ALL pointing inexorably to essentially the same obvious (and uniform and rational and predictable and logical) conclusion. That Evolution is a fact, referred to as a "theory" in scientific circles.
Not so with The Shroud. There's hardly a consensus, now is there?
The universe is also deadly. Black holes, asteroids, meteors and more
yeah thats probly Siva's influence on the Universe,Brahma is the creator,Vishnu the maintainer,and siva the destroyer.everything in then material cosmos has a start middle and end.
You didn't answer the question; nice dodge. But don't for a minute think we can't see what you're trying to do.
and exactly what it is it you think im trying to do,if your question is why dosent god just reveal Himself then the awnser would be that God dosent easily reveal Himself,lifetimes of devotion and renunciation from material desires and surrender will get you there faster,the ultimate goal of life isnt easily acheived even for the great mystics yogis,loving devotional service is the key.
That's because all the work on this shroud has been contradictory, in conflict and with distinctly different results depending on whom you find working on it.
Now, in complete opposition, as to Evolution, we've had a persistently growing conclusion based on the independent work, in unrelated areas of science, (i.e.; geology, genetics, biology, ocean chemistry, astronomy, nuclear isotopic tools, and so on), ALL pointing inexorably to essentially the same obvious (and uniform and rational and predictable and logical) conclusion. That Evolution is a fact, referred to as a "theory" in scientific circles.
Not so with The Shroud. There's hardly a consensus, now is there?
See the huge difference, doeable?
ive already read missus Cougars link,and accepted that yeah its probly a fake,even though i dont fully know,but as you said the evidence is contradictory so thats that.
as for evolution(dont know why you brought that up but anyway)yeah i think it could be possible,and when i think of Brahmas day being million's of earth years,it kinda makes sense.
Again, no pigment found on this shroud. Could be some primitive photo effect but again no paint pigment present. An educated artist who used real blood in his art perhaps. An educated artist who knew those who hung on the cross 1300 years before that arm sockets became dislocated. Now if you want to add on about my "con" that would be interesting.
Where did I say it was paint? There are many artistic media besides paint, you know. Even in the 14th century.
Where did I say it was paint? There are many artistic media besides paint, you know. Even in the 14th century.
There is very little traces of pigment whatsoever on the shroud MC only traces of iron oxide. But the brush strokes don't penetrate beyond the surface layers....impossible for an artist to do. I don't think it's real mind you....but i don't believe it was painted on either.
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