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Funny how hate or revenge is rarely associated with "proof" of god.
If memory serves me, god cast satan into the lake of fire. (Note the lake of fire was already there hence premeditated casting.)
What happened to forgivness?
This is a good point. And FYI, for those who think there is not eternal torment:
Jesus says in Luke 20:36, "Nor can [a resurrected saint] die anymore, for they are equal to the angels." Created spirit beings, angels, cannot die! Earlier, Satan was bound in the bottomless pit, but after his subsequent rebellion, God decides that eternal torment in the Lake of Fire is a just punishment for one so evil. If men choose not to repent, God can mercifully snuff out their existence. Fallen angels, however, must live eternally with the consequences of their sins.
I love how everyone thinks my dad (C34) goes under different alias' ...he seriously barely knows how to turn on the computer.
Just to be serious for a moment, your dad's absence is conspicuous, and we really do love his entertaining banter and thought-processes, trust me. Or more correctly, we love how he thinks! It's so instructive to all of us students of religious philosophy and it's defensive mechanisms.
And, as of now, with our newly defined 2011 social intercourse guidelines, it's "make-nice" time for us. No more endless jabs, even if a particular post is ludicrous...
I'm serious here; is there anything wrong? Some of us would be genuinely upset if he had any troubling medical issues.
Moving on....
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Of course not. The church has many functions, one of which is to assist the poor.
On this I loosely agree jimmiej. While I think it could all be handled far more efficiently, with no siphoning off of a % to maintain the Golden Chapel Church of the UnRedeemable in Smallmindsville, USA, there is a functioning percentage of donation monies that do indeed find their way into the mouths of starving children oversea or in our own inner cities.
I wonder, though, why the Church of The Holy Cow! doesn't preach abstinence to staunch the ever-growing number of fatherless children, destined to a life of ill education and general starvation. Of course, your contributions also provide employment for the many aid workers who fly over there and get to whisper Christianity's many falsehoods into the now willing ears of some nutritionally satiated children.
Their future mindsets all set out for them, no independent thinking necessary! Ain't Christian aid wonderful?
"Now, and only if you'll listen to this wonderful true story of how Noah and his barge, which they've just found up on a mountain in Turkey, saved all godz creatures, you can have more sweet rice pudding!"
"Now, and only if you'll listen to this wonderful true story of how Noah and his barge, which they've just found up on a mountain in Turkey, saved all godz creatures, you can have more sweet rice pudding!"
I know, I know; I'm SUCH a cynic. But it's true.
Obviously, I can't speak for everyone, but largely, that is not true. Christian aid is given regardless of whether one will listen to the gospel message.
Peace is another proof of God, yet a difficult one. We do not see Peace in the world everywhere, yet it exists. It can exist in the mind, so it is there that one can again experience God. One can credit Peace to many things, I tend to credit God where and when I see it;
Self Control is proof of God. I see so much evidence of people just loosing control of themselves, going on killing rampages. There is no control in many, and I think its obvious that a person just needs a mature power in their lives to help maintain just a since of sanity. I think a human can control themselves without a belief in God, but conversely many who believe gain much control of themselves through that belief.
And let me go into " Gentleness" as a proof of God.
I am still waiting for all these real proofs........I am only seeing you post your thoughts, which are far from any proof.
I see no reason for you to wait for what you do not see. My thoughts are the only way and window that I know of to be convinced on things. They are proofs to me, but I do not have the ability to prove these things to another mind, so I hold absolutely no intrest in convincing others of this.
Gentleness is a proof of God. Its tenderness and caring is not a thing which cannot evolve from apes, chemicals or big bang theorys. Even the gentleness that animals display, is a proof of God, it was programmed within them. And I think its the same for humans, it has to be put in us, we are not born with it.
Gentleness is not a human thing, its a thing placed in humans. For a human to be Gentle, is just a wonderful thing;
And when I see wonderful things, I always suspect God. And I want to go into " Goodness" as a proof of God.
I see no reason for you to wait for what you do not see. My thoughts are the only way and window that I know of to be convinced on things. They are proofs to me, but I do not have the ability to prove these things to another mind, so I hold absolutely no intrest in convincing others of this.
Gentleness is a proof of God. Its tenderness and caring is not a thing which cannot evolve from apes, chemicals or big bang theorys. Even the gentleness that animals display, is a proof of God, it was programmed within them. And I think its the same for humans, it has to be put in us, we are not born with it.
Gentleness is not a human thing, its a thing placed in humans. For a human to be Gentle, is just a wonderful thing;
And when I see wonderful things, I always suspect God. And I want to go into " Goodness" as a proof of God.
I see no reason for you to wait for what you do not see. My thoughts are the only way and window that I know of to be convinced on things. They are proofs to me, but I do not have the ability to prove these things to another mind, so I hold absolutely no intrest in convincing others of this.
Gentleness is a proof of God. Its tenderness and caring is not a thing which cannot evolve from apes, chemicals or big bang theorys. Even the gentleness that animals display, is a proof of God, it was programmed within them. And I think its the same for humans, it has to be put in us, we are not born with it.
Gentleness is not a human thing, its a thing placed in humans. For a human to be Gentle, is just a wonderful thing;
And when I see wonderful things, I always suspect God. And I want to go into " Goodness" as a proof of God.
Peace.
Actually yes it can evolve, over millions of years or learned experience. Some people are born without it as well. Something not quite right with them. So what God forgot some?
Everything in us is either a chemical reaction in the brain ( like love, joy, sadness) or learned through millions of years of trial and error, just the way it is no matter how you try to discount it.
lets call these "proofs" what they really are, YOUR BELIEFS AND THOUGHTS,not Proofs, since they are not.
Goodness is a definte absolute proof of God, no doubt about it. God is simply Good, humans simply are not. But we can have certain primitive levels of Goodness, some of us. God is Righteous and Virtuous, and those qualitys are a thing to admire and search for. I wish I had them, but this world seems barren of them. And what little we see, its just not enough of it going around.
So it seems to be another of those " Spiritual Things", and Spiritual things are proofs of God, which I will go into much later. Goodness is almost just a concept, but we can squezze just enough out of it, to believe in it, and then believe that a Good being exist that propels Goodness.
Now in order for God to exist, then he must be Good, and of course VERY powerful.
And I want to go into " Power" as a proof of God.
Peace.
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No seriously....
