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Another surprising fact is that the Greek word "aion" (Strong's 165) is the root where we get our English words "aeon" and "eon" in the same way that we get our English word "baptize" from the Greek word "baptizo". So, it should not be surprising that "aion" and "aeon" or "eon" mean pretty much the same thing in both languages. However, in both English and Greek, the word can mean: a) for ever, an unbroken age, perpetuity of time, eternity; b) the worlds, universe; c) period of time, age. Since both the English and Greek words can mean a never ending period of time or a finite period of time, we must look to other ways to discern which is correct for a certain scripture or context of scripture.
Just had to say...we need to look at the bible as a whole when a word has several meanings both in the English and Greek...the bible is clear that not all will be saved. I don't see how you can get around that part.
At this point...I am done beating this horse!
Time for lunch!
First of all, that emoticon is the best thing since sliced bread!!! LOL!!
Yes, I agree, we do need to look at the Bible as a whole. So to look at the Bible on the surface you say that it is clear that all will be saved. So then how do YOU get around the verses I have previously stated that say (paraphrasing here) that He makes ways for his outcasts to not be banned from Him? Or that state, flat out, that He does not cast away man forever? THESE SCRIPTURES ARE PART OF THE BIBLE AS A WHOLE!
If Hell is eternal, how can the increase of Christ’s government and of peace have no end?
If Hell is real and eternal, how can the Scriptures speak of the gathering of all things into Christ?
And finally...
If Hell is real, did Jesus fail in His mission? He said, “I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world” (John 12:47). And before you say it, it doesn't say He came to give the opportunity to be saved to the world, but to save the world!!!!
If Hell is eternal, how can the increase of Christ’s government and of peace have no end? Wouldn't they end right at the gates of hell?
How do you get around that?
P.S. I'm out for the day, breathe a sigh of relief!!!! See you guys tomorrow!
It's NOT a new revelation...but I have stated before my beliefs on this. To respond to Arguy, then how do you explain the thousands of different denominations and sects that exist in Christianity?
Why don't you guys every pic a question...any question!...and answer it?
Ok, your last question was addressed to arguy but let me give you a quick answer to that. Many of the denominations and sects have varying different ideas on any number of things concerning Christian doctrine. Most of the differences,however, do not generally center around a MAJOR doctrine like eternal separation from God. When they do, then that denomination usually begins to start being referred to as a "cult" because they have so radically departed from orthodox teaching.
Ya'll are having a good time making fun with Jeffs assertions.
Jeff is busting his hump looking for the actual truth, and not merely to smugly agree with every point that he was told to agree with. The problem of many organized religions is that each one has a "Core" belief system, and anyone who leaves the nest and disagrees with part of that system is deemed as "not knowing the truth". Some religions are very hard on dissenters.
So If ya'll, way up there on your high horses, who believe that you are saved just because of faith, believe some really bizarre stuff like "Noahs Ark" to be literal, continue to refute scientific facts, exclude most of the world from going to Heaven, with a clear conscience, then more power to ya.
I know most of you are very nice people, but SHEESH!!!
I get fed up at times with your same old arguements.
some lifetime in the far future maybe....
Thanks man. You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Trebek again.
Another surprising fact is that the Greek word "aion" (Strong's 165) is the root where we get our English words "aeon" and "eon" in the same way that we get our English word "baptize" from the Greek word "baptizo". So, it should not be surprising that "aion" and "aeon" or "eon" mean pretty much the same thing in both languages. However, in both English and Greek, the word can mean: a) for ever, an unbroken age, perpetuity of time, eternity; b) the worlds, universe; c) period of time, age. Since both the English and Greek words can mean a never ending period of time or a finite period of time, we must look to other ways to discern which is correct for a certain scripture or context of scripture.
Just had to say...we need to look at the bible as a whole when a word has several meanings both in the English and Greek...the bible is clear that not all will be saved. I don't see how you can get around that part.
Ok, your last question was addressed to arguy but let me give you a quick answer to that. Many of the denominations and sects have varying different ideas on any number of things concerning Christian doctrine. Most of the differences,however, do not generally center around a MAJOR doctrine like eternal separation from God. When they do, then that denomination usually begins to start being referred to as a "cult" because they have so radically departed from orthodox teaching.
And tomorrow I shall attempt to show how orthodox teaching is wrong, CD popularity contest be damned. Gotta go!
Yep, Jeff's feelings would be hurt if he started a good thread about hell and I didn't respond! I would feel like I was ignoring him or something!
So idiot that I am, I had jump into the horse-beating fray once again!
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I would feel like I was ignoring him or something!
