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One more time... I don't have to know the "correct" translation of " hell" or the word "eternal" to read the New Testament for what is says...and what it doesn't say. We can leave out any arguments regarding words. If you read the Bible through contextually, you just can't support any other conclusion other than that our choice to affect our eternal destiny ends at death. No second chances. No do-overs.
Well kay, the early Christians read the Bible contextually, without man's translation errors, and they did come to a different conclusion.
Those who advocated Hell got it from the Latin, not from the original Greek and Hebrew. Who would more likely be correct–those who could read the original languages of the Bible or those who read a Latin translation made by one man (Jerome)?
Here I go again...I see the Bible as the Word of God, and Im of the opinion that Gods not going to let his word be wrong for centuries, and then ENLIGHTEN some with the truth that the manuscript is wrong.
Here I go again...I see the Bible as the Word of God, and Im of the opinion that Gods not going to let his word be wrong for centuries, and then ENLIGHTEN some with the truth that the manuscript is wrong.
I agree. Not to say that anything isn't possible, but when one small group suddenly gets some supposedly "new" revelation unknown to all others it does become highly suspect or should IMO.
Another surprising fact is that the Greek word "aion" (Strong's 165) is the root where we get our English words "aeon" and "eon" in the same way that we get our English word "baptize" from the Greek word "baptizo". So, it should not be surprising that "aion" and "aeon" or "eon" mean pretty much the same thing in both languages. However, in both English and Greek, the word can mean: a) for ever, an unbroken age, perpetuity of time, eternity; b) the worlds, universe; c) period of time, age. Since both the English and Greek words can mean a never ending period of time or a finite period of time, we must look to other ways to discern which is correct for a certain scripture or context of scripture.
Just had to say...we need to look at the bible as a whole when a word has several meanings both in the English and Greek...the bible is clear that not all will be saved. I don't see how you can get around that part.
Another surprising fact is that the Greek word "aion" (Strong's 165) is the root where we get our English words "aeon" and "eon" in the same way that we get our English word "baptize" from the Greek word "baptizo". So, it should not be surprising that "aion" and "aeon" or "eon" mean pretty much the same thing in both languages. However, in both English and Greek, the word can mean: a) for ever, an unbroken age, perpetuity of time, eternity; b) the worlds, universe; c) period of time, age. Since both the English and Greek words can mean a never ending period of time or a finite period of time, we must look to other ways to discern which is correct for a certain scripture or context of scripture.
Just had to say...we need to look at the bible as a whole when a word has several meanings both in the English and Greek...the bible is clear that not all will be saved. I don't see how you can get around that part.
At this point...I am done beating this horse!
Time for lunch!
ROTFL! Oh, jazzed where did you ever come up with that emoticon?!! Too funny!
Another surprising fact is that the Greek word "aion" (Strong's 165) is the root where we get our English words "aeon" and "eon" in the same way that we get our English word "baptize" from the Greek word "baptizo". So, it should not be surprising that "aion" and "aeon" or "eon" mean pretty much the same thing in both languages. However, in both English and Greek, the word can mean: a) for ever, an unbroken age, perpetuity of time, eternity; b) the worlds, universe; c) period of time, age. Since both the English and Greek words can mean a never ending period of time or a finite period of time, we must look to other ways to discern which is correct for a certain scripture or context of scripture.
Just had to say...we need to look at the bible as a whole when a word has several meanings both in the English and Greek...the bible is clear that not all will be saved. I don't see how you can get around that part.
I agree. Not to say that anything isn't possible, but when one small group suddenly gets some supposedly "new" revelation unknown to all others it does become highly suspect or should IMO.
It's NOT a new revelation...but I have stated before my beliefs on this. To respond to Arguy, then how do you explain the thousands of different denominations and sects that exist in Christianity?
Why don't you guys every pic a question...any question!...and answer it?
Ya'll are having a good time making fun with Jeffs assertions.
Jeff is busting his hump looking for the actual truth, and not merely to smugly agree with every point that he was told to agree with. The problem of many organized religions is that each one has a "Core" belief system, and anyone who leaves the nest and disagrees with part of that system is deemed as "not knowing the truth". Some religions are very hard on dissenters.
So If ya'll, way up there on your high horses, who believe that you are saved just because of faith, believe some really bizarre stuff like "Noahs Ark" to be literal, continue to refute scientific facts, exclude most of the world from going to Heaven, with a clear conscience, then more power to ya.
I know most of you are very nice people, but SHEESH!!!
I get fed up at times with your same old arguements.
some lifetime in the far future maybe....
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That's right, arguy
