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Old 08-30-2011, 10:19 PM
 
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I was raised in a traditional religion, but outgrew it and now consider myself strictly "spiritual." What that means to me is that I believe in a power greater than myself . . .not sure what that is, but it is not organized religion . . . still, I care very much about life and think seriously about a lot of things . . . which brings me to this question:

If you consider yourself a religious person or even a spiritual person AND you believe plastic surgery is A-Ok . . . how do you personally reconcile those two ideas . . .

I would not get beauty treatments such as Botox or other fillers because I feel it is dangerous to put foreign substances in your body.

I would not have a face lift because I feel it is "wrong" to mess with what "God" or "god" or "The Universe" or "whatever" has given me . . . I don't think it is "my place" to slice and dice my body in an attempt to appear more youthful (and I don't think it does that anyway, but my main objection is the violence of cutting into the body - a "creation" that was somehow "given" to me . . . I guess I must believe in the idea that the "body is a temple" . . .

How is it possible to be deeply religious or spiritual and think it is ok to slice and dice one's body in the name of vanity (sorry it took me so long to get to the actual question . . .I actually have many reasons why I don't think vanity plastic surgery is ok - and what I have written here is just one of the reasons . . .)
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Old 08-31-2011, 12:20 AM
 
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Plastic surgery can repair deformities and disfigurements, FYI. It has legitimate applications.
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Old 08-31-2011, 03:22 AM
 
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So you dont wear jewelry,make-up,cut your hair, get a perm,dye your hair, cut your findgernails or toenails, even think about a tatoo, would not remove a big ugly batch of varicose veins, a wart , a mole ?
Some of these are in the name of convenience,some are temproary but many are still in the name of vanity.
And some just cost a whole hellova a lot more than others (my objection
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Old 08-31-2011, 04:12 AM
 
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I was thinking that a Rabbinical view might be that it was ok to do it to correct a malformed nose or a damaged ear or mouth but it would not be permissible for purposes of vanity.

That made me wonder whether it would be valid to do it on a person born with a correctable deformity. Wasn't that what God wanted? Again, we run up against this problem of evil idea.

That people are born deformed makes sense only if it's nothing to so with a god and of course is ok to correct, if we can.

As to mucking about with our bodies for decorative purposes. I'll tell you frankly Friends, I hate it. I can live with earrings so long as they aren't too cheezy but I detest tatoos and body piercings. But then others just love 'em.
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Old 08-31-2011, 05:15 PM
 
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Not one religious person who is in support of plastic surgery (and there are lots of them, according to the numbers) has stepped up to explain why they feel it is ok to alter God's work . . .
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Old 08-31-2011, 05:23 PM
 
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Not one religious person who is in support of plastic surgery (and there are lots of them, according to the numbers) has stepped up to explain why they feel it is ok to alter God's work . . .
I do not support it if it is for vanity.

I do support it if it is needed to bring a person's well being mental or physical to a level on par with the average of the person's age and gender.
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Old 08-31-2011, 06:22 PM
 
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I do not support it if it is for vanity.

I do support it if it is needed to bring a person's well being mental or physical to a level on par with the average of the person's age and gender.
Are you a religious person? If so, how does altering one's looks, surgically dovetail with your religious beliefs? How do you support your opinion?
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Old 08-31-2011, 06:36 PM
 
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Are you a religious person? If so, how does altering one's looks, surgically dovetail with your religious beliefs? How do you support your opinion?
I am Muslim. In my belief any deliberate altering of the body is defiling what Allaah(swt) has given us. Unless the altering is done to correct a condition that is harmful to the person's mental or physical well being.

For reasons of vanity, it is forbidden


There is mixed opinion among Islamic scholars as to if nose and/or ear piercings are permitted. I tend to go along many scholars of the Hanafi Madhab and agree they are permitted if done it such a manner the piercing itself is not visible.
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Old 08-31-2011, 06:43 PM
 
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I am Muslim. In my belief any deliberate altering of the body is defiling what Allaah(swt) has given us. Unless the altering is done to correct a condition that is harmful to the person's mental or physical well being.

For reasons of vanity, it is forbidden


There is mixed opinion among Islamic scholars as to if nose and/or ear piercings are permitted. I tend to go along many scholars of the Hanafi Madhab and agree they are permitted if done it such a manner the piercing itself is not visible.
Is this referred to in your holy books (non-altering of the body)?
Thank you.
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Old 08-31-2011, 06:53 PM
 
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Is this referred to in your holy books (non-altering of the body)?
Thank you.
Indirectly in the Qur'an a little more specific in the Ahadith. Islam has different levels of allowed and not allowed. Everything allowed is Halal But in Halal you have levels

Fiqh---Mandatory required to do

Sunnah--Encourged to do but not an obligation

Halal--permitted

Makroof--discourged, but not sinful

Haram is absolutly forbidden.


I will try to post the specific ayyats and Ahadith. It may be tomorrow. We are fixing to go out the door to go to the Fargo VA for a medical appointment early in the morning. Long drive so we are leaving this evening.
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