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Old 09-11-2011, 04:10 PM
 
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Israel's Experience in Ancient Egypt
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Comparing Two Independent Sources to Show that the Papyrus Account Seems to Parallel the Account of the 10 Plagues

The information we have regarding the provenance of the Papyrus Ipuwer is that it was copied by 19th Dynasty scribes and constitutes a part of what is known as the Papyrus Leiden 334. Some newer translations present the text in more contemporary expressions, i.e. `forsooth' becomes `why really', but the basic content is the same.
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Old 09-11-2011, 06:44 PM
 
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Diseases were common in times when disease was a complete mystery, for without understanding why or how the disease spread it seemed nothing could stop it, a time of great ignorance about many things in the natural world.

Now the bible was written by man, and he wrote these plagues into his story lines, not surprising, actually predictable given that a plague was terrifying, people dieing, bodies piling up and yet no understanding of the cause of disease.
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Old 09-11-2011, 07:58 PM
 
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It's quite a stretch to say those things in the left hand column are synonymous with those things in the right hand column. There's a few that are kind of similar, but I think people are seeing what they want to see here.
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Old 09-11-2011, 08:02 PM
 
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It's quite a stretch to say those things in the left hand column are synonymous with those things in the right hand column. There's a few that are kind of similar, but I think people are seeing what they want to see here.
Sometimes believers dig really deep trying to confirm what the already believe...Kind of funny really.
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Old 09-11-2011, 08:16 PM
 
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Sometimes believers dig really deep trying to confirm what the already believe...Kind of funny really.
The only thing that frustrates me is trying to understand how Moses got all those plagues going when there were obviously TONS of aliens there building pyramids and passing out advanced technology like candy at Halloween. Didn't the aliens have cold medicine or frog spray or something? And how did the Egyptians get the Hebrews to and from Mars to build that big head anyway?
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Old 09-11-2011, 09:04 PM
 
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The only thing that frustrates me is trying to understand how Moses got all those plagues going when there were obviously TONS of aliens there building pyramids and passing out advanced technology like candy at Halloween. Didn't the aliens have cold medicine or frog spray or something? And how did the Egyptians get the Hebrews to and from Mars to build that big head anyway?
The aliens clearly brought diseases with them which the earthlings had no resistance to,which didn't affect the aliens enough for them to care about cold medicine.
The frogs escaped from the kitchen of the alien resturant ship,where frogs were in much demand for the friday dinner special.
Your last question is by far the easiest...haven't you ever watched the movie or TV show 'Stargate'??I'm sure if you can twist....um..er..'interpret' the book of jasher or enoch to support the facts on this one....its all so simple really
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Old 09-11-2011, 09:53 PM
 
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Default Look! A flying pyramid!

'Course, if the aliens brought diseases with them that they had developed their own natural immunity to, as with the early America-invading Euros did, arriving and spreading disease amongst our native indians, then the Martians must have had pretty much identical physiologies to ours, eh?

As in: we don't generally get horse's or insect's or bat's diseases, but we do get human diseases.

So then... thimk thimk thimkkkk...*Whinny The Pooh....

....Martians ARE identical to us! Therefore, they planted life as we know it, in it's earlier forms, right here on Earth, in the primordial oceans about 4 B yrs ago, and then left to watch their Grande PhD Experiment At Work.

I KNEW it! (Big Q though: where are they now? Their planet went all duh-hydrated'n'stuff, huh? So we're the only ones left? Oh...oh. Oh yeah, along with them co-existing dinos of Papua New Guinea!!!)

Well...without this sort of humorous fablizing, life would be SOOOO BOOOOhhhh-RRrrinngggg! Thx, theists!
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Old 09-11-2011, 10:56 PM
 
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I KNEW it! (Big Q though: where are they now? !

Some of them are all around us,protected by a worldwide network of 'men in black' as anyone who has seen the series of 'documentary films' on the topic or the animated TV series would know.......The rest of them are in an 'ice hotel' on pluto drinking vodka they import from finland through the stargate.
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Old 09-12-2011, 02:51 AM
 
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Diseases were common in times when disease was a complete mystery, for without understanding why or how the disease spread it seemed nothing could stop it, a time of great ignorance about many things in the natural world.

Now the bible was written by man, and he wrote these plagues into his story lines, not surprising, actually predictable given that a plague was terrifying, people dieing, bodies piling up and yet no understanding of the cause of disease.

That is not entirely true...Because the Eygptian King ruled every first born was to be slaughtered to stop this deliverer from being born..The same measure was envoked by that decree...."same measure given"....By a higher ordered entity over his people...Now when they started slaughtering children to rid the promise of this deliverer, so they could continue to enslave a people....Moses was hidden in a place where the King would never suspect....right in his own house !...as a adopted son....and when Moses went to his people, the word of this deliverer was reborn...and as Moses tried to free the slaves...Pharo made another attempt to slaughter this deliverer as a child...so he ordered all the first born to be put to death by the sword.

That was then turned to the deliverer by God...after Moses came to know himself, and his true family and what was done to those enslaved people..the murder of the first born of the slaves was turned onto the Eygptians who supported that decree and Pharo...

A man of honour no doubt was before them, and us in the story book some men wrote as a story you claim?....or was it real?

I say it was real..it is real ....And Israel is spelt wrong!...but who am I to correct spelling errors or anyother errors People make continually...eh?

So the 10 plagues of the God of Moses...trying to free his people from bondage and tormentors....isn't Justified by words of those who witnessed it, and wrote it down for history and learning?,,,so it no longer happens ....

Here is a story line of simular thought.
Today with our medical knowledge base, we have found that sexual ludeness , and unclean sex acts, cause certain sicknessess to arise in those who practice the art of sex with multiple and single partners of verying natures...even beastiality...to some extent the sickness is known to be a constant, and a direct link to the above mentioned acts of ludeness and vulgarity in sexual practices....STD's and AIDS....they are sexually transmitted mostly...and Science has observed and witnessed the cause, and effect...and some have no cure.

With this knowledge in toe..and in mind...people still do the unthinkable acts that cause this sickness to arise//...and it is spread into the new borns they bare into the world through their own stupidity ...oddly but true...death can be passed on through the blood and or dna to the new born children....and then these children carry the dease to the general populations and infect them who are clean....sometimes...

Do the people stop doing that act, with this knowledge present?...Nope!

So what is true....means nothing...to anyone who doesn't care to believe....and lies mean nothing when you have the truth and believe in the truth.....

Today we have the truth...it is constant...and if it is true today...then it is always true!...even in the past...and that is what is being put forward by History of these writings, in words and discriptions of what they observed, with the knowledge they had....certain acts, create certain effects to occur.

Now look at warfare, and slaughtering people...oppressing and murdering going on....there is a Punishment for doing this act...especially when lies and underhandedness rules the murderers...who speak false truths to gain support of stupid ignorant people, who sacrifice life to be in sin constantly....who love to do the acts that bring Woes, plagues, and pestilences to the world.....wonder why?

$atan rules them....is the only reason!...I think they should stop...but I know, and you know, they will not...and so something has to stop them...or it will get out of hand....sooner than later....we will all be infected...Right?

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Old 09-12-2011, 04:04 AM
 
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The Ipuwer papyrus is accepted to be a later copy of an earlier text though there is disagreement about what it was originally written or indeed whether it is discussion between a king and a subordinate or an Egyptian and a ruling god. The theme is a general breakdown of order in the country - the 'plagues' being just odd examples cherry - picked because they match the 10 plagues, sometimes quite strikingly.

However, the problem of matching this with the 10 plagues is because they are linked with Moses (Exodus 7)and the the exodus which is of course of the same date. If the passage at 13.17 is to be trusted, the Israelites avoided the land of the Philistines because of the war going on there. If so, this has to be of a later date than anything to which the Leiden papyrus could relate.
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