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Old 12-30-2011, 12:20 AM
 
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I'll be impressed if a short video can answer the puzzle that plagues both religious and secular explanations for the beginning of existence: In a universe based on causal principles, how can anything exist at all? God or the Big Bang - they both essentially run into the same problem (if a causal explanation is posited, which it usually is, as the theories usually stem from such a positing in the first place) of exchanging a mystery for a mystery.
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Old 12-30-2011, 12:32 AM
 
Location: Metromess
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A question cannot be a fallacy. Refusing to even consider trying to answer it, however, is. I see it as a perfectly reasonable question, assuming for the moment that God exists (which I do not believe).
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Old 12-30-2011, 12:48 AM
 
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Who created God? (The question itself is a fallacy)


No it is not. It is a consequence of the anthropomorphic insistance that there is some magic sky daddy up there that created everything for the benefit of mortal humans, and of insisting that the universe's origin requires a first cause (or any cause). Causality has not been shown by anyone to exist in the singularity from which erupted the big bang. "God did it" is an infinitely regressive argument that has no resolution, and therefore is not scientific. It's a leap of faith, nothing more.
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Old 12-30-2011, 01:51 AM
 
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VenomFangX, the moron that got himself booted from YouTube for filing false DMCA claims against his vastly intellectual superior, Thunderf00t. I remember watching their battles.

Needless to say, VenomFangX nails a number of fallacies, including false dichotomy, equivocation, strawman, special pleading, begging the question..I stopped watching after about three minutes of brain-pain.

His fundamental misunderstanding of physics...oh, add Incredulity to that mix...combined with a fundamental disconnect from logic what-so-ever, resulted in this mess. I'm so glad he is getting psychiatric help.

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Old 12-30-2011, 04:02 AM
 
Location: UK
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This is a common question among the intelligentsia in the atheist community in an effort to debunk the creation/creator belief.

It is easily debunked here in layman terms...


Who Created God? Where Did God Come From? Proof of God - YouTube
A nice video; thanks!
I've just got one question; if God is infinite and has no matter, then what do you think God is exactly?

The answer seems simple enough as many believe that God is a being, a creator, a destroyer or the one who ensures justice, and is eternal.

If God is a being, then can a being exist without matter, or at least matter that science knows of, but not necessarily organic?

These questions may have been pondering most human beings who have limited capacity to discover things, but there can be super-human beings who have unlimited capacity to explore and understand things; e.g. the Buddha, Jesus etc..

Jesus was a human being when he appeared on earth and was confined to the limitations of being a human; but when he comes back for the second time he will become a super-human who has unlimited capability to explore and understand things, like the Buddha. Jesus might have believed in the creator God as a being when he first appeared, but he will discover and will know the Truth when he next appears.

The Bible may have predicted many future events, but the Buddha predicted the most important event in the future, that another buddha will appear before the end of the world.

Prince Siddartha was asking the same questions when he was exploring and searching for the Truth; who created everything that is subject to decay, and he found the answer by himself without any outside help after striving for six years. He found that Dhamma, which is a system of laws of nature that creates everything, and that it is not a being as it was supposed to be. He became the Buddha after the enlightenment and became awakened. He taught Dhamma and left the knowledge among humans for some 5000 years to last. When it is lost, then another bodhisatta (future buddha) will appear and will discover this Truth.

Practising Buddhists know that Dhamma is responsible for everything; it is the creator and the destroyer that is eternal, omnipotent and is everywhere. Dhamma is the God that humans are searching for veneration and to be united with it. Thus, the Buddha made his follwers to venerate Dhamma as the second most precious jewel in the Buddhist Holy Trinity.

Dhamma is eternal as it is immaterial, infinite and omnipotent knowing who is good and who is evil, and knows and records all our volitional actions indefinitely. Dhamma is the God which sees justice is done to everyone despite differences in beliefs and faiths.

Good luck!

Sidney <www.futurebuddhajesus.com>
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Old 12-30-2011, 06:26 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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It's funny how he disabled the like/dislike bar and moderates the comments section so only the comments in his favour are displayed. It shows his insecurity.

Look at the comments he allowed to feed his narcissism:

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Im an atheist...YOU ARE MAKING ME THINK!!!!
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awesome video and u just turned my friend into a believer
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I LOVE IT... THERE YOU GO ATHIESTS CHEW ON THIS... LOL GOD BLESS YOU
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your a genius!
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Epic video m8. Although this was made a few years ago I just watched it today and I must say this made me impressed bc of your huge intellect . I'm a christian too and all I have to say is: God bless you ;D.
They are sure easily impressed when someone manages to string a few long sentences together as long as it supports their beliefs And this is only the first page of the comments section. Interestingly, all comments stopped 9 months ago. Is that when he got banned from YT?
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Old 12-30-2011, 06:50 AM
 
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That is silly.

There is not need to DISPROVE god, the burden of proof is on those making the positive claim.

So first you need to PROVE god exists.

Go ahead.
Yet..you guys show up here in droves daily to try to bash the God that gave you life. You guys seem like you want to disprove him. At least in the way you act.
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Old 12-30-2011, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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The true face of VenomfangX...I think he is now living in a rubber room.


The Jokers Response To Thunderf00t - YouTube

He made this video after the one above...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_MYyc-PtH4
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Old 12-30-2011, 08:09 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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The true face of VenomfangX...I think he is now living in a rubber room.


The Jokers Response To Thunderf00t - YouTube

He made this video after the one above...


Venomfangx Apologizes to the Internets - YouTube
How humiliating.
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Old 12-30-2011, 10:08 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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I can well understand that many believers would see that OP video as a prima facie case for 'god' and of course the Bible tells us which God and 500 prophecies show that God sent Jesus.

Setting aside that the bible and its prophecies don't add up to a row of beans the argument for a First Cause do make a lot of assumptions about how we should reason based on some semantic fiddling and rather parochial assumptions about just what could or could not have existed for ever.

Again, passing over the possibility that something could well come from nothing, his questionable relating of 'time' to matter and, if I may quote our chum Mystic, his 'logic' smacks more of common sense - the sort that says the world must be flat as the ones on the bottom would fall off, the nub of the argument is a logical fallacy argument from ignorance.

In the absence of any definite explanation, let alone evidence, about Cosmic origins, postulating something with a Will that decided to do it all, does indeed raise that question of 'Who made God'.

His answer is back to front as it is of course absurd. But he takes the absurdity as discrediting the argument rather than the idea of a complex god having always existed (quoting Alpha and Omega proves nothing) or popping out of nowhere.

The argument is that, hard though it is to understand something from nothing (unless one is prof Hawkinge, as VenomFang clearly isn't) a deity from nothing is even harder to believe, if one doesn't believe it already, on Faith.
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