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Old 01-12-2012, 12:44 PM
 
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Indeed. I am glad you see the sheer comedy that doubting our visit to the moon leads us to. There are things, like those mirrors, that can not be explained without a visit so... by all means doubt it all you like.... but realize at the same time that doing so is pretty absurd.
Have you done the mirror exercise?
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Old 01-12-2012, 01:20 PM
 
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the frustrated fury of those who were hoping to trick us into 'fessing up to a quasi -religious faith .
Frustrated fury? Projection, my dear chap. I can't even begin to know how to exhibit fury by text.

You said it yourself that it is a valid question.

Unless you were one of the astronauts, you have to rely on faith at some point, even with evidence.
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Old 01-12-2012, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Frustrated fury? Projection, my dear chap. I can't even begin to know how to exhibit fury by text.

You said it yourself that it is a valid question.

Unless you were one of the astronauts, you have to rely on faith at some point, even with evidence.
Yes, but as has been explained to you, not the religious kind of faith...

"Faith" means not wanting to know what is true. Friedrich Nietzsche

“I believe in evidence. I believe in observation, measurement, and reasoning, confirmed by independent observers. I'll believe anything, no matter how wild and ridiculous, if there is evidence for it. The wilder and more ridiculous something is, however, the firmer and more solid the evidence will have to be. ”
― Isaac Asimov
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Old 01-13-2012, 01:04 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Unless you were one of the astronauts, you have to rely on faith at some point, even with evidence.
I think it would be advantageous to you to learn the difference between 'faith' and 'trust'.
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Old 01-13-2012, 06:42 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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Frustrated fury? Projection, my dear chap. I can't even begin to know how to exhibit fury by text.

You said it yourself that it is a valid question.

Unless you were one of the astronauts, you have to rely on faith at some point, even with evidence.
As they said, there is a very important difference and the failure of some theists to bamboozle us into the same sort of error does seem to occasion fury, even though not in your case, aold bean
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Old 01-13-2012, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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Indeed. I am glad you see the sheer comedy that doubting our visit to the moon leads us to. There are things, like those mirrors, that can not be explained without a visit so... by all means doubt it all you like.... but realize at the same time that doing so is pretty absurd.
Yes sensi (bending forward from the waist with hands held in prayer)
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Old 01-13-2012, 10:49 AM
 
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Have you done the mirror exercise?
Irrelevant question, but yes I have. Have you?

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Yes sensi (bending forward from the waist with hands held in prayer)
Was there a point to that or are you just being sarcastic because there is nothing better to say?
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Old 01-13-2012, 01:13 PM
 
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As they said, there is a very important difference
I don't see any difference.

The Life, death and resurrection of Christ (an extraordinary claim) is a historic event with evidence surrounding it, yet I wasn't there to witness it. So if I choose to believe the evidence, I must believe it based on faith.

The Lunar landings (an extraordinary claim) was a historic event with evidence surrounding it, yet I wasn't there to witness it. So if I choose to believe the evidence, I must believe it based on faith.

The only difference is, I believe both sets of evidence and you only believe one.
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Old 01-13-2012, 01:18 PM
 
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Irrelevant question, but yes I have.
It sure is relevant. Did you believe that the lunar landings took place before you did the laser and mirror trick, or after?

And, no I haven't. The fact is many people haven't. Yet they believe in the moon landings.
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Old 01-13-2012, 01:21 PM
 
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I think it would be advantageous to you to learn the difference between 'faith' and 'trust'.
Like I said at the beginning of the thread. Faith and trust are not mutually exclusive. For example... I trust my faith.
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