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Old 10-14-2020, 03:16 PM
 
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In what way did you use the scientific method to determine that "faith based atheism is exactly like faith based theism"? Do you have data for that? Or is that your opinion?

In what way did you use the scientific method to determine what "true colors" are or what T's "true colors" are? Do you have data for that? Or is that your opinion?
actually get what I am saying right first ... then we can talk.
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Old 10-14-2020, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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actually get what I am saying right first ... then we can talk.
Don't run away. Answer the questions.

Are the statements you made in your post about using the scientific method actually based on the scientific method. If you say they are, reference your scientific data.

To repeat:

In what way did you use the scientific method to determine that "faith based atheism is exactly like faith based theism"? Do you have data for that? Or is that your opinion?

In what way did you use the scientific method to determine what "true colors" are or what T's "true colors" are? Do you have data for that? Or is that your opinion?
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Old 10-14-2020, 04:31 PM
 
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Don't run away. Answer the questions.

Are the statements you made in your post about using the scientific method actually based on the scientific method. If you say they are, reference your scientific data.

To repeat:

In what way did you use the scientific method to determine that "faith based atheism is exactly like faith based theism"? Do you have data for that? Or is that your opinion?

In what way did you use the scientific method to determine what "true colors" are or what T's "true colors" are? Do you have data for that? Or is that your opinion?
lets see ...
get what I say correct first, then we can talk.
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Old 10-14-2020, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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lets see ...
get what I say correct first, then we can talk.
Nope. The questions I asked are clear.
You are choosing to run away from them.
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Old 10-14-2020, 05:06 PM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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Your words and your actions simply don’t align.
Your efforts are confined to battling against random Christians on this one forum, yet your stated “target†is Christian fundamentalism influence on US society, politics and education??

Take me as an example. I live in Canada and have zero influence on US society, politics and education. How does any of your effort made toward someone in my situation do ANYTHING to advance your stated goals? Obviously you ARE targeting Christians who are not part of the problem. As I’ve said to you in the past, you seem not to care about efficacy.
I see no point in explaining to you and it's off the topic. But just so you can't claim evasion, there are two tiers of the atheist agenda (if one may use the term). The first is the Christian claim that it is true, the Bible is reliable and Jesus resurrected. This is taught and disseminated very widely and we (atheists) disagreeing with it, argue against the claims.

The second is Christian (and other kinds) fundamentalism. This is particularly and urgently problematical. In a threat to US politics, law, and education and even Science, if it can do it. We have already seen an effort to revise the definition of science to mean effectively, whatever Christian Fundamentalism says it is. We have seen an effort to subject the Law to favour Christian fundamentalism (project Blitz) and I hardly need comment on the threat to politics.

Essentially the pushback is much the same, but the more we (Christians or indeed theists, and atheists) are on the same page, the more we can peacefully co -exist.

I don't live in the US myself. Nor does Dawkins, but we both see that US religious fundamentalism (even more than Islamic)is the No. 1 problem.

I reckon the world listens to the US because it is the greatest and most culturally influential nation in the world. No matter how the American people may feel they are now a joke, they are not. They are greatly respected and the world longs to see it get back - at least - to where it was right wing but at least not crazy. It beats Russia. And forget about China, which is not as strong as it would like to appear, and it knows it very well.

And that's enough politics.

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Old 10-14-2020, 05:08 PM
 
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Nope. The questions I asked are clear.
You are choosing to run away from them.
whatever you say phet ...
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Old 10-14-2020, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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whatever you say phet ...
Sometimes. Because you don't always get to define the discussion.
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Old 10-14-2020, 05:15 PM
 
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I see no point in explaining to you and it's off the topic. But just so you can't claim evasion, there are two tiers of the atheist agenda (if one may use the term). The first is the Christian claim that it is true, the Bible is reliable and Jesus resurrected. This is taught and disseminated very widely and we (atheists) disagreeing with it, argue against the claims.

The second is Christian (and other kinds) fundamentalism. This is particularly and urgently problematical. In a threat to US politics, law, and education and even Science, if it can do it. We have already seen an effort to revise the definition to science to mean effectively, whatever Christian Fundamentalism says it is. We have seen an effort to subject the Law to favour Christian fundamentalism (project Blitz) and I hardly need comment on the threat to politics.

Essentially the pushback is much the same, but the more we (Christians or indeed theists, and atheists) are on the same page, the more we can peacefully co -exist.

I don't live in the US myself. Nor does Dawkins, but we both see that US religious fundamentalism (even more than Islamic)as the No. 1 problem.

I reckon the world listens to the US because it is the greatest and most culturally influential nation in the world. No matter how the American people may feel they are now a joke, they are not. They are greatly respected and the world longs to see it get back to where it was right wing but at least not crazy .It beats Russia. And forget about China. It is not as strong as it would like to appear.

And that's enough politics.
wrong ... your faith in anti-god is based solely you how you feel about religion. You are so faith based that you have to decide how the universe works without science, using faith, and some god claims have to be avoided.

The scientific method is so far in a way more sound than anti-god faith, that you have to run from "something more is going on" like it is covid itself.

you are so afraid of it you have hide from people that just do not care about statement of belief about god.

American cowboys only deal with what is in front of us .. and the scares the no ba Jesus out you. We aint interested in agenda's. We only care about how the universe works. You don't like how American freedom of religion liberal capitalism trounces anti-religious socialism.

I can tell you aint from here. Fundy Christians are not running the show anymore. They really never have. We been fighting them since the civil war and before.

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Old 10-14-2020, 05:16 PM
 
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Sometimes. Because you don't always get to define the discussion.
lmao ... sure thing big guy.

when you get it right, we can talk.
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Old 10-14-2020, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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wrong ... your faith in anti-god is based solely you how you feel about religion. You are so faith based that you have to decide how the universe works without science, using faith, and some god claims have to be avoided.

The scientific method is so far in a way more sound than anti-god faith, that you have to run from "something more is going on" like it is covid itself.

you are so afraid of it you have hide from people that just do not care about statement of belief about god.

American cowboys only deal with what is in front of us .. and the scares the no ba Jesus out you. We aint interested in agenda's. We only care about how the universe works. You don't like how American freedom of religion liberal capitalism trounces anti-religious socialism.

I can tell you aint from here. Fundy Christians are not running the show anymore. They really never have. We been fighting them since the civil war and before.
".. and the scares the no ba Jesus out you."

Could you translate that please.
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