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This is the kind of stuff that makes me go 
The story is so poorly written and has no background. She goes to a priest asking about God, so she was clearly seeking religion as it was...and they don't say whether or not she was raised religious.
When people talk like this, I wonder how they are not considered to be insane by the majority of the population. "God spoke to me" is a sign of schizophrenia...you're hearing voices because you're crazy not because some magical man in the sky chose you over the 7,000,000,000 people on this planet to convert. Seriously, I just don't get how people can be so brainwashed. |
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It's simply and demonstrably because that particular type of personality apparently requires some outside hope,-source, some outside all-knowing personality that can and will guide them through the tough times which they feel they cannot (or choose to not...) handle themselves.
They simply can't and thus won't accept the
"no known answer" idea, and thus they turn to the only means by which all can be pleasantly "known", a perfect world in which their particular god, no matter how ephemeral and nasty he might be.
(as per the bible itself; he's a truly vengeful and moody fellow..)
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√ For the last time, we do not deny the unknown, we just say that belief in unknowns as being either this or that as a believable (and indeed life-changing) fact, is absurd and irrational.
√ We further say that the 'knowns' are indeed believable and it is absurd and irrational not to believe in the verified data as fact.
√ That is the rationale of the materialist default, for us, at any rate.
If you simply cannot get it through your head that opting for what we can prove or at least what has some decent evidence , rather than for what is not proven and had no decent evidence,
...is the obviously rational default position,
...then discussion with you is evidently a waste of time, other than to let others see how skewed theist reasoning is by their Godfaith.
(1) But then definitions of atheism that I have read do not reflect my views or indeed that of atheism and i have to say that they are wrong, and probably reflect the erroneous popular usages of the terms.
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The idea that someone might simply want to know what the evidence says seems to be unable to penetrate the ivory theist carapace.
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Nothing personal just a notation, some atheist have a need to feel all theist are bad, that is why they'll use blanket statements/descriptors to continue/foster this us/we vs. them mindset.
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I'll concede that seeming outward position, because when we have to argue each and every minor footstep in the sand, to try to gain even a micro-advance given the staggering & massive reams and mountains of re-producible data & obvious conclusions. (since after all, the ardent theists will NEVER deem to try on any of these easily reproduced experiments themselves, the utter trembling fear of finding out the obvious for themselves, would be tantamount to running headlong off the shaking, rotting bridge of fear and myths they prefer to hold so desperately on to.)
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Call it what you want. No evidence does not equal No existance.
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But by the same logical token,
VD, when you have good evidence for an existing and seemingly rational hypothesis, why do you still reject it totally and wholesale out of hand, when the opposing evidence is...
non-existent?
So which way do you turn? Towards the probable, the logical, the likely, the most simple and common-sense, and the resulting theory that also
accurately predicts both what we've seen
and what we will see in the future, or...
...do you just shrug your shoulders anyhow, and run instead towards a totally evidence-free, less common sense, and less logical and rational choice? And let's also note that if this is indeed how you would prefer to go, there's then an
unlimited number of other alternatives, such as the infamous but far better "evidenced" Flying Spaghetti Monster (I see gorgeous plates of Him all the time, and he's very satisfying, and far more "likely" than a totally improbable and now thoroughly discredited God of the Gaps, one who can control the entire universe simultaneously, I'm often assured...). Or all the other GOds, Zeus, Thor, Woden, Baklavah (OK, OK... I made Him up, but so what? The Abrahamic God is similarly just a fantasy! There's still lots of good evidence in my "passionate mind" for Holy Baklavah!...)
Fact: at this point there is NO EVIDENCE AT ALL, of an empirical nature at any rate, for your Abrahamic God. None whatsoever, unless we take voices in people's heads, or Mickiel's rampant "feelings", as "proof". And to boot, there's lots of evidence that He actually does NOT exist. All that He's supposed to have done, He factually did not do.
In other words, He's been very thoroughly debunked, and yet... you still prefer to believe in Him? With nary a single tiny little doubt or question? Ever? One wonders... for a supposedly inquiring and naturally curious mind, WHY NOT
Answer: It just
has to be a deep personal
need on your part to have such an obtuse and unreliable entity perched, parrot-like, in the back of your mind. The descriptors
"desperate psycho-personal need" seem to want to creep in here somewhere... but I'll leave that one alone for now.
So then...is
that how you operate in your day to day life in general? When someone offers you a deal on a new car for $5000
off, and you then go to another dealer who's offering
the exact same car but at $25,000
MORE, just
"because...". and
that's the deal you'd take? Because perhaps you preferred the color of the more expensive dealer's restroom wallpaper?
Logical conclusions, based on solid data and evidence, compared to an irrational passion-based decision, when all the rational data points firmly in the other direction? You'll still take the irrational option even when ALL the data literally screams
"Go the other way, man! Save yourself!"
Tell me this is
NOT how you operate in your day-to-day life!
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