Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Religion and Spirituality
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 11-17-2012, 09:30 PM
 
Location: New York metropolitan area
1,316 posts, read 1,586,048 times
Reputation: 341

Advertisements

Persecution of Christians in the Soviet Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Persecution of Christians in Soviet Union. Very sad and scary
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 11-17-2012, 09:32 PM
 
4,432 posts, read 6,982,756 times
Reputation: 2261
Quote:
Originally Posted by agnostic soldier View Post
Stalin didn't just kill christians. He killed anyone that disagreed with him. He did so because he was a dictator and a psychopath, not because he was an atheist. Atheism had nothing to do with why Stalin did what he did. Stalin is an example of what happens when a dictator is in power, not what happens when an atheist takes power.
Yes that right, Stalin did not discriminate who he killed. He even had atheist members of his very own party killed as well.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-17-2012, 09:34 PM
 
Location: City-Data Forum
7,943 posts, read 6,065,133 times
Reputation: 1359
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nunnor View Post
I was seeking answers of 'Why did Stalin murder millions of Christians and burned down churches" and got nonsense, off-topic, and Anti-Christian responds from many atheists.

Please stay on TOPIC.

atheists never admit what evil things they have done both in past and present throughout the history.
The point is that nothing in atheism teaches someone to be a murderous nose-wipe. But somethings in Christianity can be interpreted exactly for that purpose. Atheists have no excuses for being bad people. Christians have the excuse of THEIR interpretation Christianity, which doesn't need anything but faith. No atheist would ever have mental peace by pretending atheism somehow protected or condoned their actions. Only a fool, psychopath, or some fanatic for a REAL cause (political, social, economic, religious, etc), would find excuses for their actions without following fully through on the consequences and implications.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-17-2012, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
22,216 posts, read 21,667,670 times
Reputation: 7608
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nunnor View Post
Persecution of Christians in the Soviet Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Persecution of Christians in Soviet Union. Very sad and scary
It is sad, but I think the same equally of all who died needlessly during that era.

I wouldn't discriminate between atheist, christian, muslim or whatever. They are millions of tragic stories, and they should be viewed equally and as people first imho.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-17-2012, 09:50 PM
 
63,799 posts, read 40,068,856 times
Reputation: 7870
Default Why did Stalin murder millions of Christians & destroy churches?!

This is getting a bit silly with all the "Your theist killers are worse than my atheist killers" nonsense. Killers are killers and they have a host of human motivations for their atrocities. Why try to associate them with theism or atheism . . . because both categories contain ample evidence of killers. Before meeting Wood on this forum . . . I classed all Muslims in the fanatic killer category. They clearly are NOT. Unfortunately way too many of them ARE . . . and they present a very real and well-financed global threat to Western civilization. But it is their fanaticism and killer mentality . . . NOT Islam . . . that is to blame.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-17-2012, 10:01 PM
 
Location: New York metropolitan area
1,316 posts, read 1,586,048 times
Reputation: 341
Quote:
Originally Posted by MysticPhD View Post
This is getting a bit silly with all the "Your theist killers are worse than my atheist killers" nonsense. Killers are killers and they have a host of human motivations for their atrocities. Why try to associate them with theism or atheism . . . because both categories contain ample evidence of killers. Before meeting Wood on this forum . . . I classed all Muslims in the fanatic killer category. They clearly are NOT. Unfortunately way too many of them ARE . . . and they present a very real and well-financed global threat to Western civilization. But it is their fanaticism and killer mentality . . . NOT Islam . . . that is to blame.
Thank you
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-17-2012, 11:23 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
6,712 posts, read 13,458,259 times
Reputation: 4317
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vizio View Post
I've never claimed to be able to decide who is and isn't. I can read the Bible and see what a Christian is.
This is my very point, Vizio. You presume to think you have superior interpretive ability over, say, someone else who also interprets the Bible to mean something else. Fred Phelps stands outside the funerals of dead troops with signs that say "Thank God for Dead Soldiers." He's read the Bible and that's HIS interpretation of it. His interpretation could be 180 degrees out of sync with your interpretation but you have no authority by which to say that he's not a true Christian because YOUR interpretation is at odds with his.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-17-2012, 11:33 PM
 
Location: City-Data Forum
7,943 posts, read 6,065,133 times
Reputation: 1359
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nunnor View Post
Thank you
Oh, here I was under the impression that you believed all the nonsense being espoused about Joseph Stalin, and his "atheism dogma" of murdering saintly Christians because atheism "doesn't change/transform" people and only religion changes the mind of a psychopath.

The O.P. has been answered. Stalin didn't like political competition (even from atheists), was a horribly bad person and likely an egotistically, anxious, obsessive-compulsive, know-it-all control freak, was appalled at the Churches' money hoarding, and was awe struck by theism's abilities and undue influence, among many other reasons. None of which involved a faith-based believe from the principle that no gods exist to the conclusion that the impersonal universe simply decreed or excused his actions.

Thanks for wasting our time by pretending you didn't know that bad people are bad and good people are good, and it has nothing to do with weather they believe some gods exist or don't.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-18-2012, 12:34 AM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
24,544 posts, read 56,047,835 times
Reputation: 11862
Marx disdained religion, partly because of the time he lived in. The Church was corrupt and supported the aristocracy. Marx viewed religion, the 'opiate of the masses', as a way in which the poor were 'kept in their place.' Indeed even scripture was used to justify this, i.e. the passages about masters and slaves and knowing your place. Communism also viewed religion as essentially hierarchical, which communism was supposed to be the opposite of that. The great irony is that, the leaders of Communism, even the more innocuous Lenin, attained almost God like status because human beings always have a tendency to deify great figures. Today in China many people still venerate Mao and Ho Chi Minh. One has to ask themselves why it is in communist countries where this hero worship is so strong? There's also Che Guevara, whom many western left-wingers like to wear on their T-shirts even though probably know little of what old Ernie actually did.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-18-2012, 07:03 PM
 
5,190 posts, read 4,837,945 times
Reputation: 1115
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nunnor View Post

Why did Stalin persecute and murder Christians, as well as destroying churches and cathedrals, and shutting down thousands of them?
Another question must be: ' Why did God allow Stalin to get away with it?'

but let's also remember times like the French Revolution, where the country was run by a corrupt bourgeoisie Catholic Church, taxing the masses to allow the clergy a life of luxury and hypocrisy.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Religion and Spirituality

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top