What really pisses me off (hell, America, quote, pray)
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...is when there is a massive tragedy, thousands of people die, and a lone survivor somehow manages to survive. Of course, the survivor proceeds to thank God for this incredible miracle, and the media proceeds to follow him/her in praising the Almighty Lord for his wonderful act of kindness.
Yeah Moderator cut: edit what about the 2000 others who died horrible deaths? Why did God not save them? Were you more "worthy" of life than they were? How is it a miracle that one person out of thousands survived a tragedy? Is that not simple probability? Is that not a tragedy?
Why didn't God prevent the tragedy in the first place? Oh, right, it's not his job to intervene (even though we would condemn a mortal who did not try to save a life; but an omnipotent being is held to lower standards), and we shouldn't blame him for our own problems, blah blah blah. But of course, whenever anything good happens, it must be because of God, and we must give him praise, right?
Bad occurrences are the result of human error, original sin, or the devil.
Good occurrences are the result of God.
Such a phenomena reminds me of a documentary I watched about a humanitarian surgeon and a news crew that entered North Korea to help cure a disease curing blindness and secretly taped the experience. When the North Koreans are cured, they immediately thank their Dear Leader for the works of the doctor. Apparently, Kim Jong Il receives none of the blame for his country's mess (read: God receives no blame for the imperfect universe because he "acts in mysterious ways"), but receives credit for every kernel of good...the good of preventing the bad he created. Of course, nobody thanks the doctor, just like how religious Moderator cut: edit credit their prayers, and not modern medical science, with their victories over cancer.
...is when there is a massive tragedy, thousands of people die, and a lone survivor somehow manages to survive. Of course, the survivor proceeds to thank God for this incredible miracle, and the media proceeds to follow him/her in praising the Almighty Lord for his wonderful act of kindness.
Yeah you sick bastard, what about the 2000 others who died horrible deaths? Why did God not save them? Were you more "worthy" of life than they were? How is it a miracle that one person out of thousands survived a tragedy? Is that not simple probability? Is that not a tragedy?
Why didn't God prevent the tragedy in the first place? Oh, right, it's not his job to intervene (even though we would condemn a mortal who did not try to save a life; but an omnipotent being is held to lower standards), and we shouldn't blame him for our own problems, blah blah blah. But of course, whenever anything good happens, it must be because of God, and we must give him praise, right?
Bad occurrences are the result of human error, original sin, or the devil.
Good occurrences are the result of God.
Such a phenomena reminds me of a documentary I watched about a humanitarian surgeon and a news crew that entered North Korea to help cure a disease curing blindness and secretly taped the experience. When the North Koreans are cured, they immediately thank their Dear Leader for the works of the doctor. Apparently, Kim Jong Il receives none of the blame for his country's mess (read: God receives no blame for the imperfect universe because he "acts in mysterious ways"), but receives credit for every kernel of good...the good of preventing the bad he created. Of course, nobody thanks the doctor, just like how religious nuts credit their prayers, and not modern medical science, with their victories over cancer.
So where do you draw the line? Say God prevents every crime, disease, tragedy from occuring. Then what? Well for one, we would never die so the world would have been overpopulated many moons ago with no resources left. We probably wouldn't exist now as a result.
Is He suppose to manipulate people's actions like a puppet master so we humans are incapable of inflicting emotional pain on someone? Should God zip your lip up if you try to gossip cuz gossip can be painful.
Then you would be pissed off because you don't have free will.
So where do you draw the line? Say God prevents every crime, disease, tragedy from occuring. Then what?
Then everything would be perfect.
If Obama sits around his second term, Moderator cut: deleted and then says that he doesn't want to do "too much" to help Americans, what would you say?
Now; logically, a omnipotent being should be held to infinitely higher standards, correct?
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Well for one, we would never die so the world would have been overpopulated many moons ago with no resources left. We probably wouldn't exist now as a result.
I don't think you've given this enough thought. If God can prevent every crime, disease and tragedy from occurring, he could also deal with overpopulation and resource scarcity. This should, quite frankly, be obvious.
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Is He suppose to manipulate people's actions like a puppet master so we humans are incapable of inflicting emotional pain on someone? Should God zip your lip up if you try to gossip cuz gossip can be painful.
Actually, he programmed us with the biological desire to inflict pain (in certain circumstances), gossip, etc. God already programs us to feel aroused at an attractive person, jealousy, etc. Were you under the impression that he gave us "complete" free will?
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Then you would be pissed off because you don't have free will.
If God values free will over happiness, why does he order all non-believers to be killed in the Old Testament?
Why did he program us to sleepwalk, hallucinate and fall unconscious against our will?
If Obama sits around his second term, Moderator cut: Orphaned and then says that he doesn't want to do "too much" to help Americans, what would you say?
Now; logically, a omnipotent being should be held to infinitely higher standards, correct?
I don't think you've given this enough thought. If God can prevent every crime, disease and tragedy from occurring, he could also deal with overpopulation and resource scarcity. This should, quite frankly, be obvious.
Actually, he programmed us with the biological desire to inflict pain (in certain circumstances), gossip, etc. God already programs us to feel aroused at an attractive person, jealousy, etc. Were you under the impression that he gave us "complete" free will?
so you actually like the idea of perfection? perfection would be a boring concept if you actually thought about it. this is coming from someone who has been through hell in a handbasket so while I agree that the world is a little Moderator cut: inappropriate language up in the fact that too much bad stuff can happen to people who aren't malicious, we need some of it to make a great balance. you can't have love without pain. you can't have happiness without sadness. you can't have light without dark. that's why I somewhat like having a range of emotions. it's good for the entertainment media too. can't have good tv or music without this range.
think about it if you always had what you had, how would you appreciate it? Paris Hilton is a great example of this. she's always been rich so as a result she's a pretty unappreciative person.
he may have programmed people to do certain things but there is a certain thing called self control. this is like saying alcoholics have no control over their actions because the drugs own them. no if you're doing bad things, it's on you. you can stop if you really want to.
but I agree it's not complete. I am not in control of my life. Moderator cut: inappropriate languagejust gets thrown at me and I can't do what I want. I care about my father even though I try my hardest not to.
basically you certainly can't change how you feel a lot of the time but you can control your actions.
so you actually like the idea of perfection? perfection would be a boring concept if you actually thought about it.
You aren't thinking this through. Perfection excludes the possibility of feeling the emotion of boredom.
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this is coming from someone who has been through hell in a handbasket so while I agree that the world is a little Moderator cut: orphaned up in the fact that too much bad stuff can happen to people who aren't malicious, we need some of it to make a great balance.
So let me get this straight:
You believe that miscarriages, starvation, rape, murder, genocide, the Holocaust, 911 and torture are all POSITIVE GOODS to prevent "boredom"?
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you can't have love without pain. you can't have happiness without sadness. you can't have light without dark.
Interesting thing you missed: if God is omnipotent, then you can have love without pain, happiness without sadness, etc.
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think about it if you always had what you had, how would you appreciate it? Paris Hilton is a great example of this. she's always been rich so as a result she's a pretty unappreciative person.
Paris Hilton is not perfect. What made you think she was an applicable analogy?
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but I agree it's not complete. I am not in control of my life. Moderator cut: Orphaned just gets thrown at me and I can't do what I want. I care about my father even though I try my hardest not to.
Go on and be proud that you've overcome obstacles in life. God didn't help you at all. And you're far luckier than those who died at or before childbirth, and children starving in Africa. Does God do them justice by making their lives more "interesting"?
...is when there is a massive tragedy, thousands of people die, and a lone survivor somehow manages to survive. Of course, the survivor proceeds to thank God for this incredible miracle, and the media proceeds to follow him/her in praising the Almighty Lord for his wonderful act of kindness.
Yeah Moderator cut: edit what about the 2000 others who died horrible deaths? Why did God not save them? Were you more "worthy" of life than they were? How is it a miracle that one person out of thousands survived a tragedy? Is that not simple probability? Is that not a tragedy?
Why didn't God prevent the tragedy in the first place? Oh, right, it's not his job to intervene (even though we would condemn a mortal who did not try to save a life; but an omnipotent being is held to lower standards), and we shouldn't blame him for our own problems, blah blah blah. But of course, whenever anything good happens, it must be because of God, and we must give him praise, right?
Bad occurrences are the result of human error, original sin, or the devil.
Good occurrences are the result of God.
Such a phenomena reminds me of a documentary I watched about a humanitarian surgeon and a news crew that entered North Korea to help cure a disease curing blindness and secretly taped the experience. When the North Koreans are cured, they immediately thank their Dear Leader for the works of the doctor. Apparently, Kim Jong Il receives none of the blame for his country's mess (read: God receives no blame for the imperfect universe because he "acts in mysterious ways"), but receives credit for every kernel of good...the good of preventing the bad he created. Of course, nobody thanks the doctor, just like how religious Moderator cut: edit credit their prayers, and not modern medical science, with their victories over cancer.
Excuse me, Mr. Fan, sir, but I sure do hate to see you like this.
What if me and the boys were to.....?
Would that pep you up some?
Listen Sci Fi...try this--
Breeeeeeeath...innnnnnn...ouuuuuuut. Innnnnnn...ouuuuuuut.
Now...pour yourself a shot of Wild Turkey 101. Sip half of it.
Breath again.
Now sip the other half.
Breath again. Again.
Now...Try to clear your mind, and not agonize about stuff there is just about no chance you can do much of anything about.
The alternative: Sweat every issue and suffer everything you find displeasing to you...and live all stressed out and miserable.
...is when there is a massive tragedy, thousands of people die, and a lone survivor somehow manages to survive. Of course, the survivor proceeds to thank God for this incredible miracle, and the media proceeds to follow him/her in praising the Almighty Lord for his wonderful act of kindness.
Yeah Moderator cut: edit what about the 2000 others who died horrible deaths? Why did God not save them? Were you more "worthy" of life than they were? How is it a miracle that one person out of thousands survived a tragedy? Is that not simple probability? Is that not a tragedy?
Why didn't God prevent the tragedy in the first place? Oh, right, it's not his job to intervene (even though we would condemn a mortal who did not try to save a life; but an omnipotent being is held to lower standards), and we shouldn't blame him for our own problems, blah blah blah. But of course, whenever anything good happens, it must be because of God, and we must give him praise, right?
Bad occurrences are the result of human error, original sin, or the devil.
Good occurrences are the result of God.
Such a phenomena reminds me of a documentary I watched about a humanitarian surgeon and a news crew that entered North Korea to help cure a disease curing blindness and secretly taped the experience. When the North Koreans are cured, they immediately thank their Dear Leader for the works of the doctor. Apparently, Kim Jong Il receives none of the blame for his country's mess (read: God receives no blame for the imperfect universe because he "acts in mysterious ways"), but receives credit for every kernel of good...the good of preventing the bad he created. Of course, nobody thanks the doctor, just like how religious Moderator cut: edit credit their prayers, and not modern medical science, with their victories over cancer.
So you are ticked off for God doing a good thing for one person, but not everyone?
Excuse me, Mr. Fan, sir, but I sure do hate to see you like this.
What if me and the boys were to.....?
Would that pep you up some?
Listen Sci Fi...try this--
Breeeeeeeath...innnnnnn...ouuuuuuut. Innnnnnn...ouuuuuuut.
Now...pour yourself a shot of Wild Turkey 101. Sip half of it.
Breath again.
Now sip the other half.
Breath again. Again.
Now...Try to clear your mind, and not agonize about stuff there is just about no chance you can do much of anything about.
The alternative: Sweat every issue and suffer everything you find displeasing to you...and live all stressed out and miserable.
Ad hominem fallacy. And don't feel sorry for me; I'm enjoying this.
Ad hominem fallacy. And don't feel sorry for me; I'm enjoying this.
Hmmmmm...some of what you described happens every day, all over the world.
You said it, "really pisses you off".
Now you say you are, "enjoying this".
Well then...I guess some people actually enjoy being pissed off. Takes all kinds to make up the world.
So...have a blast being pissed off Man!
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