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Galileo was absolutely a man of God ! What make's you think he was not a believer? If you go against the established church, that doesn't mean you don't believe in God. He wasn't martyred by the way; he sensibly backed down from the papist church's ultimatum.
Yeah, I'd heard that Galileo was a man of God as well as a man of science, but I didn't feel certain enough to mention it here. Issac Newton was also an extremely devout Christian, was he not?
Issac Newton was also an extremely devout Christian, was he not?
On the contrary, he was a an 'antitrinitarian'. He believed that worshipping Jesus as a god was idolatry. He also always refused to take holy orders and his refused to take the sacrament on his death bed. He was also an alchemist. Says it all I suppose.
Yeah, I'd heard that Galileo was a man of God as well as a man of science, but I didn't feel certain enough to mention it here. Issac Newton was also an extremely devout Christian, was he not?
In those days, in those countries the church held all the power and everyone had to say they were Christian, or suffer the consequences, and those consequences were not pleasant. The church insisted that the earth was the center of the universe, and Galileo was convicted of blasphemy for discovering that it wasn't and saying so.
I believe in evidence: scientists, no matter how brilliant, were required to take an oath to the church in order for their findings to be published, and for their freedom to be secured. Heresy was a very serious crime.
This is like you saying that everyone in Stalin's USSR agreed with him because almost nobody was vocal in their criticism of his regime. Yet no one with an ounce of sense would claim this. All you'd claim is that Stalin crushed dissent, and this had an incredibly chilling effect on anyone's speech.
In those days, in those countries the church held all the power and everyone had to say they were Christian, or suffer the consequences, and those consequences were not pleasant. The church insisted that the earth was the center of the universe, and Galileo was convicted of blasphemy for discovering that it wasn't and saying so.
Which is why we celebrate him today!
Galileo defied the Catholic Church fo sho', but you have to remember the Catholic Church wasn't/isn't God Himself. Martin Luther also defied the Catholic Church, but I think we can agree God was working in him.
I believe in evidence: scientists, no matter how brilliant, were required to take an oath to the church in order for their findings to be published, and for their freedom to be secured. Heresy was a very serious crime.
This is like you saying that everyone in Stalin's USSR agreed with him because almost nobody was vocal in their criticism of his regime. Yet no one with an ounce of sense would claim this. All you'd claim is that Stalin crushed dissent, and this had an incredibly chilling effect on anyone's speech.
Stalin was able to crush dissent because he didn't have to run around doing it all himself. Same deal with Hitler.
Galileo defied the Catholic Church fo sho', but you have to remember the Catholic Church wasn't/isn't God Himself. Martin Luther also defied the Catholic Church, but I think we can agree God was working in him.
Martin Luther? The guy who inspired Hitler to put in action his "final solution" regarding the Jewish people? Is he your hero?
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If you doubt that much why don't you doubt your own memories of the last 35 years? How do you know you weren't born last week with false memories of a 35 years that never happened?
It was a joke! I thought people here knew me better than that!
The world is obviously billions of years old. I don't really believe in God - but if he did exist, I highly doubt that he gets his jollies by planting fake evidence all over the universe to throw us off.
Stalin was able to crush dissent because he didn't have to run around doing it all himself. Same deal with Hitler.
How are you addressing the point? At all.
The point is, people didn't dissent because there were severe consequences if they did, not because they agreed.
The other poster was making the claim that, because scientists in the 1500-1600s agreed with the church, it's because they were believers at heart. Again, that's a totally illogical leap.
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