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Old 09-06-2013, 08:56 AM
 
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Life, at least on this planet is impossible without the combination of these very inanimate chemical Elements, Hydrogen, Oxygen, Carbon, Nitrogen, Phosphorus and Sulfur. No magic god dust, just these six chemicals which are present in every life form on our planet, elements (hydrogen excepted) that are created out of the nuclear furnaces that we call stars.

 
Old 09-06-2013, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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"We are stardust - we are golden...."
 
Old 09-06-2013, 09:04 AM
 
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Life, at least on this planet is impossible without the combination of these very inanimate chemical Elements, Hydrogen, Oxygen, Carbon, Nitrogen, Phosphorus and Sulfur. No magic god dust, just these six chemicals which are present in every life form on our planet, elements (hydrogen excepted) that are created out of the nuclear furnaces that we call stars.
So make some, will you? Please post a picture. Make a dog for me.

And make sure to get your own Hydrogen, Oxygen, Carbon, Nitrogen, Phosporus, and Sulfur. And while you're at it, create your own space to do it in and make your own sun.
 
Old 09-06-2013, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Golden, CO
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So make some, will you? Please post a picture. Make a dog for me.

And make sure to get your own Hydrogen, Oxygen, Carbon, Nitrogen, Phosporus, and Sulfur. And while you're at it, create your own space to do it in and make your own sun.
It happens naturally, no human is needed and right now no human can, though that may change.
 
Old 09-06-2013, 09:14 AM
 
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It happens naturally, no human is needed and right now no human can, though that may change.
Yet.....it's never been observed, even when humans do try to intervene and cause it to happen.


Still waiting for the dog....if that's too difficult, a kitten would be ok.
 
Old 09-06-2013, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Yet.....it's never been observed, even when humans do try to intervene and cause it to happen.


Still waiting for the dog....if that's too difficult, a kitten would be ok.
You observed your god create the world and everything in it?
 
Old 09-06-2013, 09:16 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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So make some, will you? Please post a picture. Make a dog for me.

And make sure to get your own Hydrogen, Oxygen, Carbon, Nitrogen, Phosporus, and Sulfur. And while you're at it, create your own space to do it in and make your own sun.
Vizz, you are just making yourself look foolish in demanding that we prove natural forces could over time bring life about by producing the finished article ourselves in no time at all and out of nothing.

I might as well ask that you prove Christianity true by nailing yourself to the door till you are dead and then coming back for a public fish dinner and let everybody handle your war -wounds.
 
Old 09-06-2013, 09:16 AM
 
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You observed your god create the world and everything in it?
Nope. But I know that he did. He told us. And we know that everything that exists in the natural world has a cause. Unless, of course, you're an atheist...then you "know" that God doesn't exist and life somehow magically popped into existence from a bunch of chemicals. And, of course, we have no idea where those chemicals came from.
 
Old 09-06-2013, 09:25 AM
 
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Nope. But I know that he did. He told us. And we know that everything that exists in the natural world has a cause. Unless, of course, you're an atheist...then you "know" that God doesn't exist and life somehow magically popped into existence from a bunch of chemicals. And, of course, we have no idea where those chemicals came from.
How do you know? Were you there when he told us? Or was it some guy who said god told him? And were you there to witness it? How reliable were the witnesses? Is the result reproducible.
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BTW, we know how those chemicals came to be - nucleosynthesis has been understood for decades.

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Old 09-06-2013, 09:26 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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Yet.....it's never been observed, even when humans do try to intervene and cause it to happen.


Still waiting for the dog....if that's too difficult, a kitten would be ok.
You refute yourself. When humans do intervene they cause it to happen. It's called Breeding and can be observed in pretty much all plants and animals that we make use of. You will no doubt say that we haven't succeeded in turning a dog into a cat but if we could over fifty years of breeding turn a dog into something that looked so different that we'd have to find a new species name for it, wouldn't you say that it is still a dog that looks different?

It takes time. One has to look very carefully to see a minute hand move and an hour hand doesn't appear to move at all. Nor does the moon, unles we fix it against some object and the slow movement can be seen. Thus evolutionary change has been observed, but you deny it because it does not fit your either misunderstood or deliberately misrepresented ideas about evolution.

Understand, it really doesn't matter to us. We see the evidence for evolution as compelling and Cosmic Origins are neither here nor there. Even if we said that we thought that some Cause had to be behind the Cosmos and the appearance of species, that wouldn't do a darn thing to prove the God of the Bible, the Bible itself or the particular Bible -based religion that you preach.
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