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Old 09-20-2013, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Somewhere out there
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No...that really doesn't work. There are plenty of people groups and societies that like pain and worship it. Others have committed child sacrifice. Your explanation is simply not sufficient.

You have yet to answer the simple question of why some things are universally condemned, if there isn't SOMETHING that tells us that. Who or what is responsible for that standard of morality?
In fact, I'd be willing to bet good money that there is literally nothing that some tribe or culture has NOT DONE ALREADY in the name of their transient God mythology. Cannibalism, torture, gender disparity, enslavement, the well-known correction of any existing but functional alternate religion by Christian violence, and so on.

Nothing is universally & morally condemned, not even the Christian versions. Good God! What an imagination and Christly arrogance!

All of these means to a particular societal end have been, and continue to be, used with complete impunity. All in the name of God, Allah or whomever...

Your particular God has indeed provided examples of The Most Egregious Forms of tribal-level religious correction, and is thus effectively absent any moral authority.

"Morality" per se is a fleeting group-accepted set of rules, with or without true moral goodness.
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Old 09-20-2013, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I've not changed a thing. Can you answer my question or not? Is there ever a time when baby torture ONLY for personal pleasure a good thing?
Knowing you'll never answer directly the questions some put to you, I'll give up and answer yours.
It's a good thing to the person that's doing it and enjoying it which knocks the crap out of your 'universal' bit.
Since that makes it not universal that also knocks the crap out of your premise that it has to be innately implanted in everyone by your god.
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Old 09-20-2013, 11:52 AM
 
Location: NJ
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When is torturing a baby for any reason a good thing?
When god says it is OK.
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Old 09-20-2013, 11:57 AM
 
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When god says it is OK.
God NEVER said that was ok.
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Old 09-20-2013, 11:59 AM
 
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In fact, I'd be willing to bet good money that there is literally nothing that some tribe or culture has NOT DONE ALREADY in the name of their transient God mythology. Cannibalism, torture, gender disparity, enslavement, the well-known correction of any existing but functional alternate religion by Christian violence, and so on.

Nothing is universally & morally condemned, not even the Christian versions. Good God! What an imagination and Christly arrogance!

All of these means to a particular societal end have been, and continue to be, used with complete impunity. All in the name of God, Allah or whomever...

Your particular God has indeed provided examples of The Most Egregious Forms of tribal-level religious correction, and is thus effectively absent any moral authority.

"Morality" per se is a fleeting group-accepted set of rules, with or without true moral goodness.
So you think there IS some time when torturing babies for personal pleasure is moral and acceptable?

Do you think Hitler was good? If not, why do you think you have the right to judge him?
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Old 09-20-2013, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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So you think there IS some time when torturing babies for personal pleasure is moral and acceptable?

Do you think Hitler was good? If not, why do you think you have the right to judge him?
Why don't you answer the many, many questions put to you?
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Old 09-20-2013, 12:05 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Do you think Hitler was good? If not, why do you think you have the right to judge him?
Anyone has the right to judge anyone else? Why wouldn't someone have the right to judge someone else?
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Old 09-20-2013, 12:10 PM
 
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Why don't you answer the many, many questions put to you?
I've tried to answer the questions relevant to the thread. Unfortunately, the way this board works is that people tend to pile on and I just don't see everyone.
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Old 09-20-2013, 12:11 PM
 
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Anyone has the right to judge anyone else? Why wouldn't someone have the right to judge someone else?
So you don't think you have a right to say that the extermination of 8 million Jews was bad?
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Old 09-20-2013, 12:14 PM
 
Location: NJ
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So you don't think you have a right to say that the extermination of 8 million Jews was bad?
My bad. I put a question mark where I didn't want one.

I'm saying I think anyone does have the right to judge anyone else. I see no reason why they wouldn't.
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