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It has often been emphasized that Christianity is unlike any other religion, for it stands or falls by certain events which are alleged to have occurred during a short period of time some 20 centuries ago. Those stories are presented in the New Testament, and as new evidence is revealed it will become clear that they do not represent historical realities. The Church agrees, saying:
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"Our documentary sources of knowledge about the origins of Christianity and its earliest development are chiefly the New Testament Scriptures, the authenticity of which we must, to a great extent, take for granted."
(Catholic Encyclopedia, Farley ed., vol. iii, p. 712)
It has often been emphasized that Christianity is unlike any other religion, for it stands or falls by certain events which are alleged to have occurred during a short period of time some 20 centuries ago. Those stories are presented in the New Testament, and as new evidence is revealed it will become clear that they do not represent historical realities.
The Church agrees, saying:Our documentary sources of knowledge about the origins of Christianity and its earliest development are chiefly the New Testament Scriptures, the authenticity of which we must, to a great extent, take for granted."
(Catholic Encyclopedia, Farley ed., vol. iii, p. 712)
I am confused. Or perhaps you are. Your cite does not even hint that the Catholic church doubts the Authenticity of NT Scriptures. Taking for granted usually means we know it is so.
Taking for granted usually means we know it is so.
Not correct.
It means in the absence of knowing, we must assume it is so.
This is another illustration of a point I have made in several threads...there is a huge gap between the manner in which scripture gets taught and discussed in seminaries and divinity colleges, and what gets presented from the pulpits on Sundays. Your priests and ministers know things that they very much hope you do not, and they aren't about to bring it up if you do not.
On their behalf....without exception, every priest and minister whom I've encountered and with whom I have raised the issue , has been perfectly candid with me about it, admitting that they have awareness of modern Biblical scholarship, awareness of the shaky grounds upon which the major documents stand, and awareness of the political nature of the triumph of Christianity.
Don't take my word for it...ask your pastors about it. I've yet to encounter a dishonest one in this regard.
"Taken for granted" means that it has been around for so long that it is assumed to be so. They are saying that they have not researched the matter.
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Originally Posted by Grandstander
Not correct.
It means in the absence of knowing, we must assume it is so.
Yet no hint of doubt on the part of the RCC as the OP alleges.
Wishful thinking on his or her part, perhaps you folk also.
Pure speculation is not very convincing when it come to matters such as these. The idea that the NT scriptures are not true is based on wishful atheistic thinking. Not much else.
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Originally Posted by Grandstander
Not correct.
It means in the absence of knowing, we must assume it is so.
This is another illustration of a point I have made in several threads...there is a huge gap between the manner in which scripture gets taught and discussed in seminaries and divinity colleges, and what gets presented from the pulpits on Sundays. Your priests and ministers know things that they very much hope you do not, and they aren't about to bring it up if you do not.
On their behalf....without exception, every priest and minister whom I've encountered and with whom I have raised the issue , has been perfectly candid with me about it, admitting that they have awareness of modern Biblical scholarship, awareness of the shaky grounds upon which the major documents stand, and awareness of the political nature of the triumph of Christianity.
Don't take my word for it...ask your pastors about it. I've yet to encounter a dishonest one in this regard.
I don't think you are being honest or you have talked to some odd fellows or gals. My experience has been otherwise. I have been involved with no less than 30 churches in five different towns and no pastor, not one, has ever said what you allege. Sorry, but I have to call you out.
This is the crap of which the internet is all about on certain matters. Just saying something and posting it does not make it true.
This thread was dead from post #1.
Now if the cite actually said "The RCC doubts the NT scriptures are true" we'd have something to discuss.
Not correct.
It means in the absence of knowing, we must assume it is so.
This is another illustration of a point I have made in several threads...there is a huge gap between the manner in which scripture gets taught and discussed in seminaries and divinity colleges, and what gets presented from the pulpits on Sundays. Your priests and ministers know things that they very much hope you do not, and they aren't about to bring it up if you do not.
On their behalf....without exception, every priest and minister whom I've encountered and with whom I have raised the issue , has been perfectly candid with me about it, admitting that they have awareness of modern Biblical scholarship, awareness of the shaky grounds upon which the major documents stand, and awareness of the political nature of the triumph of Christianity.
Don't take my word for it...ask your pastors about it. I've yet to encounter a dishonest one in this regard.
This is true, Grand . . . but I have encountered some who do in fact deny it for some reason. Scholarship is scholarship and it shouldn't be disregarded to retain falsehoods that have been in existence for a long time. But apparently retention of the faith that has been promoted for 2000+years is considered more important than the truth.
105 God is the author of Sacred Scripture. "The divinely revealed realities, which are contained and presented in the text of Sacred Scripture, have been written down under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit."69
"For Holy Mother Church, relying on the faith of the apostolic age, accepts as sacred and canonical the books of the Old and the New Testaments, whole and entire, with all their parts, on the grounds that, written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, they have God as their author, and have been handed on as such to the Church herself."70
106 God inspired the human authors of the sacred books. "To compose the sacred books, God chose certain men who, all the while he employed them in this task, made full use of their own faculties and powers so that, though he acted in them and by them, it was as true authors that they consigned to writing whatever he wanted written, and no more."71
This is true, Grand . . . but I have encountered some who do in fact deny it for some reason.
Perhaps I have just been uncommonly fortunate in my encounters. That I have not run into any of the deniers at least suggests that they would represent the minority.
Modern Biblical scholarship is standard fare at most seminaries and divinity colleges, it might be the case that the deniers got their credentials from questionable institutions. Someone coming out of one of the major colleges who claims to be unaware of these matters would have little credibility. A graduate of Joe-Ed & Dixie's Plano East Blood of the Sacred Lamb Divinity Temple and Auto-Repair.....might be on the level with such denials.
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