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Old 03-05-2014, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Type 0.73 Kardashev
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Uhhh, generally not. Fundamentalists can get away with this, but mainstream stuff like Episcopalian don't even speak up when A is the case in these.

Let's also talk about atheism and how it's gotten away with some crap. Uhhh, like forbidding the pledge of allegiance in school because it has "under god" in it.

If you personally don't wanna say the pledge of allegiance, don't say it (you commie!) but don't forbid other people from practicing their religion within the confines of school.
Here in the real world - for example, the public elementary school at which my wife teaches - the Pledge of Allegiance (with the usual "under God" clause not in the original pledge but inserted by Congress in 1954) is said every day.

Apparently, in your fantasy-world it was 'forbidden' by... um... 'atheism'...
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Old 03-05-2014, 10:13 AM
 
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Uhhh, generally not. Fundamentalists can get away with this, but mainstream stuff like Episcopalian don't even speak up when A is the case in these.

Let's also talk about atheism and how it's gotten away with some crap. Uhhh, like forbidding the pledge of allegiance in school because it has "under god" in it.

If you personally don't wanna say the pledge of allegiance, don't say it (you commie!) but don't forbid other people from practicing their religion within the confines of school.
Have you got a credible link to some information supporting your claim that an atheist somewhere coerced a school board to ban the Pledge of Allegiance, or did you just make that part up? What does the Pledge have to do with practicing religion, and why would somebody be practicing their religion at school? Wouldn't the other kids make fun of somebody doing that?
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Old 03-05-2014, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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Can you not participate in America, or be a citizen unless you believe America is being watched under a God? Is America a Christian Nation like some middle eastern countries are under Sharia law? Instead of Sharia law we have Christian law? Do all Americans have to follow Christian law in America?
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Uhhh, generally not. Fundamentalists can get away with this, but mainstream stuff like Episcopalian don't even speak up when A is the case in these.

Let's also talk about atheism and how it's gotten away with some crap. Uhhh, like forbidding the pledge of allegiance in school because it has "under god" in it.

If you personally don't wanna say the pledge of allegiance, don't say it (you commie!) but don't forbid other people from practicing their religion within the confines of school.
I could definitely understand how someone from a secular family could, rather than stating the pledge of allegiance, put their head down on their desk and announce to their peers their secularism whether they want to or not. Perhaps they're the only secular student in the classroom. Watch the soul savers pounce on that student like piranhas onto a drowning cow.

I changed my mind. Placing the world god in the Pledge of Allegiance is stupid. We need to get rid of it. The only reason I'm not more aggressive about getting rid of it is due to laziness.
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Old 03-05-2014, 01:38 PM
 
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When I was in school it was led by teachers. It seems like that could be banned for the same reason teacher-led prayer could be banned.
No, because prayer is divisive and favoring religion is unconstitutional. Having a National Identity and Singing the Pledge does not break any Articles in any forseeable way. However, you are allowed to be silent and not sign the pledge (I don't sing the 1950 part added about "Under God" because it is an evil corruption by Catholics), but must stand up. Even our good-ole American born kids wouldn't sing the pledge, their hatred of America made me feel awkward (I think their parents didn't like Clinton, and then same with Bush).
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Old 03-05-2014, 01:40 PM
 
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The main problem that Biblical Christians face with freedom of religion is their religious obligation to convert others, gather flock, share their faith, etc.

This paragraph explains a part of Christianity that conflicts with the law:

"It is evident, therefore, that every Christian can do something for Christ. No individual is so poor, so illiterate, so obscure, as to have no opportunity of performing any substantial acts of service for the Redeemer. God has not placed a single disciple in a situation, where nothing can be done for Christ.

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It's funny to see the Beasts of Burden for false non-existent gods have to equivocate Iesus with Apollo, the Redeemer.
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Old 03-05-2014, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Hyrule
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I don't like the whole excessive guilt for everything that many variants of Christianity encourage (particularly Catholicism). If you're training your mind to be focused and disciplined that's one thing, but I can't see how shame due to thoughts of an intelligent force disapproving of your thought crimes could be positive.

I don't trust the statistics about fewer atheists in jail though. Anyone who admits being an atheist, Hindu, or Muslim to their parole officer, if he or she is in a western nation is a fool. What would be smarter, would be to say: "I've been saved by Jesus! I have seen the light! I know this is the fourth time I have been arrested for robbing that same gas station, but I have been reborn! I will go forth and sin no more!"

The statistics do imply that we're not worse people than theists though.
You do have a point. But, most atheists are logical thinkers. It's just not a fly by the seat of your pants mindset. We don't pray to get ourselves out or into situations, and so the responsibility lays with us. It makes a difference.
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Old 03-05-2014, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Hyrule
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You don't have to as long as you understand. If I were to get pregnant, had no funds and the father was unwilling then I would have no problem terminating the pregnancy within the first term. But, I am so logical about those issues, I would absolutely use protection if I saw no way of caring for a baby in my future and the pregnancy most likely wouldn't occur.

Now, if I'm a Theist and have unprotected sex because of my belief with a boy I'm not married to yet things get messy from the get go. Many parents who openly say they don't believe in abortion have paid to have their child's baby secretly aborted. Guilt and shame make you do some crazy, out of characteristic things sometimes.

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Old 03-05-2014, 03:15 PM
 
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It's funny to see the Beasts of Burden for false non-existent gods have to equivocate Iesus with Apollo, the Redeemer.
Yes, yes it is.
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Old 03-05-2014, 03:45 PM
 
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I could definitely understand how someone from a secular family could, rather than stating the pledge of allegiance, put their head down on their desk and announce to their peers their secularism whether they want to or not. Perhaps they're the only secular student in the classroom. Watch the soul savers pounce on that student like piranhas onto a drowning cow.

I changed my mind. Placing the world god in the Pledge of Allegiance is stupid. We need to get rid of it. The only reason I'm not more aggressive about getting rid of it is due to laziness.
Slowly these things will fade. We as a country are rather lazy, and we don't want to alarm the "alarmists" by removing all the old folklore at once. But, I am sure down the road it will be removed from our entire government and public products just like it has been in other countries.
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Old 03-07-2014, 10:40 PM
 
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This one was REAL easy, the answer to ALL of them is A.
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