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If the Andromeda Galaxy is 2.5 million light years away. How does that jive with creation being less the 6500 year ago?
Simple enough. G-d created a universe, replete with everything in it. It's not as if He created a star, turned on the switch and the light began its journey. Adam and Eve were also created mature adults.
Simple enough. G-d created a universe, replete with everything in it. It's not as if He created a star, turned on the switch and the light began its journey. Adam and Eve were also created mature adults.
Do you believe creation took place less than 10,000 years ago? If you do how do you explain light from galaxies the closest of which is 2.5 million light years away?
Simple enough. G-d created a universe, replete with everything in it. It's not as if He created a star, turned on the switch and the light began its journey. Adam and Eve were also created mature adults.
Hello iwishiwerethin.
So, if I'm understanding you correctly, god made stars that are hundreds of thousands or millions of light years away while simultaneously making light that did not originate from those stars (because if it did it would not have reached us yet) but that was set up in such a way as to appear as if it had (thus giving us our current view of the night sky).
No offense, but that is quite a practical joke for god to play on us, seeing as he must have known that we would someday measure the distances of these stars and thereby conclude that the universe is billions of years old.
Thanks.
P.S. To mikebnllnb - if you haven't already, you can learn more about this topic by googling "starlight problem." It is a known challenge to Young Earth Creationism. There have been several different approaches to attempting a solution, including the (scientifically unsupportable) hypothesis that light travels slower now than it once did, referred to as "c-decay."
Simple enough. G-d created a universe, replete with everything in it. It's not as if He created a star, turned on the switch and the light began its journey. Adam and Eve were also created mature adults.
It all smacks of the idea that God faked the world (and Cosmos) to look like there was evolution and the universe was billions of years old, just to tempt as many people as possible into doubting the claims of Genesis as the literal truth.
Let me ask you- why?
Let me explain. People who believe that may still be Christians. They can believe that Jesus was the son of God who rose from the dead and can live pretty good lives. That should qualify them for heaven, shouldn't it? Why, then should it be so important for God to fake the universe to look old when it doesn't matter? Are you going to tell me that not believing that the cosmos,earth and life were made in 6 days 15,000 years ago (+/- 5,000 possible error) is going to send them to Hell?
Why if the universe was only a few thousand years old, God should fake it to look like it was billions of years old, rather than leave it as it really is?
Isn't it far more likely that the Book is not entirely literally correct. Just as it seems to say that it is a sky dome over a flat earth with the heavenly bodies trundling around the inside, when we know it isn't - as you can say that has been faked to look like it is when it..actually is ..or was.. the sky-dome and flat earth...
So, if I'm understanding you correctly, god made stars that are hundreds of thousands or millions of light years away while simultaneously making light that did not originate from those stars (because if it did it would not have reached us yet) but that was set up in such a way as to appear as if it had (thus giving us our current view of the night sky).
No offense, but that is quite a practical joke for god to play on us, seeing as he must have known that we would someday measure the distances of these stars and thereby conclude that the universe is billions of years old.
Thanks.
P.S. To mikebnllnb - if you haven't already, you can learn more about this topic by googling "starlight problem." It is a known challenge to Young Earth Creationism. There have been several different approaches to attempting a solution, including the (scientifically unsupportable) hypothesis that light travels slower now than it once did, referred to as "c-decay."
I don't necessarily agree with the light in transit hypothesis (I'm a young earther), but interestingly enough what we see in our telescopes is something of an illusion anyway. We are seeing stars as they were thousands of years ago, galaxies as they were billions of years ago. Just about all the stars from galaxies 10+ billion light years away no longer exist. So we are seeing illusions either way. Yet certainly billions of years fit our observations.
Think of it like a film about a place that has been rebuilt. The film shows it inside and out, people living in it, taking out the trash. But it is no longer there. It is now a car -park. The image is an illusion, but the place DID exist. The film is also real, just as the light is. Light in not an illusion- well, no more than anything else in the world of matter- but it is a thing made up of particles just as you, me and the keyboard we bang on. Well, you know what I mean..
The images that get to us as an actual picture of a distant galaxy that has certainly changed and may now not even be there. But it was like that some time ago- as many years as the light took to get to us.
It is right there for us too look at, immediately.
I don't necessarily agree with the light in transit hypothesis (I'm a young earther), but interestingly enough what we see in our telescopes is something of an illusion anyway. We are seeing stars as they were thousands of years ago, galaxies as they were billions of years ago. Just about all the stars from galaxies 10+ billion light years away no longer exist. So we are seeing illusions either way. Yet certainly billions of years fit our observations.
No, actually what we see in telescopes are not illusions. We see distant objects as reality like we see all the rest of reality - through light. Just because it takes us billions of years for that light to hit us from a distant star doesn't make it any different than you seeing the light from your computer screen a few inches from your eyes. Yet your computer screen isn't an illusion.
Sure, we are seeing what distant galaxies looked like billions of years ago - that they may not look like that any longer, but the concept of what is observable through direct or reflected light remains the same.
I am constantly in baffled wonderment over people in this day and age who actually believe in Young Earth Creationism. The magnitude of scientific denial necessary to cling to such an archaic paradigm is so great that it essentially makes any believer in YEC a first rate hypocrite for using any science at all. Yet what is truly lulz-worthy is that they use science to disprove science.
The monumental amount of current knowledge that would have to be wrong in order for YEC to be true would basically disprove everything we know about science - and if that were the case, our technological world should break down and die. In fact, it never could have been built. Except it is here and functioning - which means current scientific models are correct.
... what is truly lulz-worthy is that they use science to disprove science.
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That would be ok, but what we get of course is more a misunderstanding or misrepresentation of science or its findings in order to discredit it.
That also would be ok - I have had a LOT of misconceptions corrected over time, but what is not ok is when the corrections are made and they apparently simply bounce off the faith - cranium.
If the Andromeda Galaxy is 2.5 million light years away. How does that jive with creation being less the 6500 year ago?
It was accepted decades ago that the earth alone is billions of years old. This arguement might have been valid in the 1800's, but not really today.
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Yet certainly billions of years fit our observations.
you know what I mean.. 
