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Old 05-15-2014, 08:05 PM
 
Location: New Jersey, USA
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It is highly likely the person in the OP got sucked into the "Name it Claim it" ideas or other strange concepts. He obviously doesn't understand what prayer is all about.
Hello Eusebius.

Too true. After all, where would anyone get the wild notion that mearly asking for something in faithful prayer would make it happen? Oh, right...

Matthew 21:21-22 (NASB, emphasis added) And Jesus answered and said to them, “Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, ‘Be taken up and cast into the sea,’ it will happen. And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive."

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Old 05-15-2014, 08:07 PM
 
Location: Western Oregon
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Hello Eusebius.

Too true. After all, where would anyone get the wild notion that mearly asking for something in faithful prayer would make it happen? Oh, right...

Matthew 21:21-22 (NASB, emphasis added) And Jesus answered and said to them, “Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, ‘Be taken up and cast into the sea,’ it will happen. And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive."

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There was a lot of fine print under that, Hyker, that YOU obviously do not understand, and only someone like Eusibius can explain. That's why we need him.
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Old 05-15-2014, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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No, he didn't get stuck in name it and claim it, he got stuck in "Why me?"
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Old 05-16-2014, 06:37 AM
 
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Hello Eusebius.

Too true. After all, where would anyone get the wild notion that mearly asking for something in faithful prayer would make it happen? Oh, right...

Matthew 21:21-22 (NASB, emphasis added) And Jesus answered and said to them, “Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, ‘Be taken up and cast into the sea,’ it will happen. And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive."

Thanks.
"Jesus said to THEM..." One needs to ask: Who is "them"? The answer is not far from the verses you
selected. The "them" is only the disciples. The "them" is not all mankind who ever would pray to God not
doubting. The "them" is not the believers of the nations under the administration of grace. The "them" is
only for the disciples of the Circumcision.

For instance, when the kingdom powers were in force there were many miracles by the disciples. As
Israel was being set aside and grace was going to the nations the kingdom powers were gradually
subsiding until healings were no longer being done as evidenced by Paul in telling Timothy to "take a little
wine for your often infirmities" and Epaphroditus:

"since, in fact, he was longing for you all and depressed, because you hear that he is infirm." For he is
infirm, also, very nigh death, but God is merciful to him, yet not to him only, but to me also, lest I should be
having sorrow on sorrow." (Philippians 2:26-27)

Earlier in Paul's ministry both Epahproditus and Timothy would have been healed through prayer and
laying on of hands. Now, under grace, we rejoice no matter our afflictions.

The problem with many Christians is they take what was said to the Circumcision believers and try to apply it in their own lives in this current administration. Frustration is the result.

You are certainly welcome.
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Old 05-16-2014, 06:38 AM
 
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No, he didn't get stuck in name it and claim it, he got stuck in "Why me?"
Did you personally ask him?
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Old 05-16-2014, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Did you personally ask him?
Did he make a personal report here?
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Old 05-16-2014, 08:29 AM
 
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Did he make a personal report here?
They why did you say he was not involved in "Name it Claim it"?
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Old 05-16-2014, 11:27 AM
 
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only for the disciples of the Circumcision.
This just boggles the mind - that genital mutilation is at the root of miracles.
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Old 05-16-2014, 12:09 PM
 
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This just boggles the mind - that genital mutilation is at the root of miracles.
That wasn't my thought.
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Old 05-16-2014, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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They why did you say he was not involved in "Name it Claim it"?
Because the point was that "name it and claim it" was not the basic problem.
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