Why some people are Homosexual. (pray, principle, teaching, origin)
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We do not know, period. What we do know is that it is the same as a gestalt . . . i.e., an unchangeable perceptual phenomenon. If you want to know what I am referring to . . . the language on your screen is a perceptual gestalt that cannot be changed. It is impossible for you NOT to see words on the screen as words. This is a learned gestalt so those who are illiterate or have not learned to read English would not see words . . . but those who do see words can NOT "unsee" them. That is what a gestalt IS . . . perceptions completely immune to conscious or willful control. Regardless HOW homosexuals became that way . . . their perceptions of the same sex are gestalt. They are immune to change. They cannot change the way they perceive the same sex as a sexual stimulus. Genetic, epigenetic, fetal imprinting, early learning or whatever . . . it is gestalt so all arguments about changing the perceptions are bogus.
Just to clarify, when you say "We do not know, period", you are only speaking for yourself.
Really? You read the website of a group so conservative their co-founder is listed as a white nationalist by the Southern Poverty Law Center?
Other "articles" on their website: "Kanye West releases his most anti-white rap song ever" and "Pigmentation and personality traits". Along with advertisements for the "Don't Tread on Me" flag and white pride t-shirts.
To say they have an agenda for what studies they find and publish would be the most charitable thing I could say. And they don't deserve that.
Really? You read the website of a group so conservative their co-founder is listed as a white nationalist by the Southern Poverty Law Center?
Other "articles" on their website: "Kanye West releases his most anti-white rap song ever" and "Pigmentation and personality traits". Along with advertisements for the "Don't Tread on Me Flag" and t-shirts that say "White Pride"
To say they have an agenda for what studies they find and publish would be the most charitable thing I could say. And they don't deserve that.
I doubt the poster (or the author of the website) even read what they posted let alone understood it- they probably just looked at the title and thought it supported their view that homosexuality is a 'choice'. It doesn't - at all.
I doubt the poster even read what they posted let alone understood it- they just looked at the title.
Let us hope so.
Let us also use this as an example that people need to think about sources, and the fact that there are MULTIPLE studies with conflicting conclusions, before they decide anything like, "Well there it is! No gay gene. I read it on the internet".
Last edited by DewDropInn; 07-05-2014 at 06:41 PM..
You are not reading very carefully. IF it is a perceptual Gestalt . . . then it is NOT changeable. Not everything is a perceptual gestalt . . . but when it IS it cannot be changed. Reading words in English would NOT be a gestalt for someone who has never learned to do so . . . but for YOU it IS a gestalt and you cannot "unsee" the words or their meanings.
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Originally Posted by Ceist
Modern neuroscience explains in much better from a science perspective. "Gestalt" is more philosophical and rather dated approach.
Riiiight! I am sure that all the neuroscientists on here would appreciate it and understand it better than just trying to "unsee" the words on the page as words with meaning . . . and failing. I am sure it would be much more effective.
We do not know, period. What we do know is that it is the same as a gestalt . . . i.e., an unchangeable perceptual phenomenon. If you want to know what I am referring to . . . the language on your screen is a perceptual gestalt that cannot be changed. It is impossible for you NOT to see words on the screen as words. This is a learned gestalt so those who are illiterate or have not learned to read English would not see words . . . but those who do see words can NOT "unsee" them. That is what a gestalt IS . . . perceptions completely immune to conscious or willful control. Regardless HOW homosexuals became that way . . . their perceptions of the same sex are gestalt. They are immune to change. They cannot change the way they perceive the same sex as a sexual stimulus. Genetic, epigenetic, fetal imprinting, early learning or whatever . . . it is gestalt so all arguments about changing the perceptions are bogus.
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Originally Posted by Ceist
Just to clarify, when you say "We do not know, period", you are only speaking for yourself.
No . . . we actually do NOT know. But as I said "Regardless HOW homosexuals became that way . . . their perceptions of the same sex are gestalt. They are immune to change. They cannot change the way they perceive the same sex as a sexual stimulus. Genetic, epigenetic, fetal imprinting, early learning or whatever . . . it is gestalt so all arguments about changing the perceptions are bogus.
Let us also use this as an example that people need to think about sources, and the fact that there are MULTIPLE studies with conflicting conclusions, before they decide anything like, "Well there it is! No gay gene. I read it on the internet".
There aren't really 'conflicting' studies per se. There has been a converging line of evidence between genetic, hormonal and neuroscience research (including animal studies) all pointing to a biological basis for sexual orientation for some time now.
If people want to read propaganda articles to "form" their opinions, then they should probably ask themselves why they are avoiding reputable sources like the major professional health associations and science Journals.
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