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God was not created, He has always been. He is the creator of all that exists. Keep in mind that God also created time, which is linear and has a beginning and end. God exists in Eternity which has no beginning or end. We are trapped in time and can't help but think in terms of beginnings and ends. It is very hard if not impossible for us to grasp the concept of Eternity and Infinity. God can't explain it to our limited intellects, and described Himself to us only as "I Am".
Actually, time might not be linear. Not entirely. Light does not follow time the way other objects do.
But if God has always existed, what was going before we existed? Other failed worlds? And if he always existed, what was he doing before he created everything as described in Genesis? For God to simply have always existed, it brings up far too many questions. You are unwilling to ask them, which is a problem.
That answer is not defined yet. We are getting there. Certainly the prove that Higgs Bosun exists proves that the theory of the Big Bang continues to be validated.
Of course, there is no proof, whatsoever, of any spiritual entity that caused everything to come about, is there? None.
So, man created the various gods. Notice that virtually always they are in man's image?
Just because we have not yet amassed definitive manner that the Big Bang happened, we know it did. The parts still to be clarified are known. And nothing, nothing, nothing indicates that "goddunnit".
Right?
So you really have no idea where the universe came from--you only know that it exists. You can point to the big bang and sya that's it...but that doesn't account for WHY the big bang happened, or where the matter and space came from.
Instead of suggesting it was created, as is everything that exists, you come up with some silly idea of "randomchancedunnit". Yay for you. Guess it's better than admitting there is a creator, huh?
You know in dealing with the idea of Who created God...we
must realize we are still thinking from a 3rd dimensional perspective.
Which, as we know, is hugely limited...haha, hugely is like comparing
a grain of sand to the entire Universe.
It doesn't take a Gene Roddenberry imagination to imagine nothing is created or destroyed...
there is no real birth or real death...no up or down...either.
Oops, I'm sounding a little Zen.
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God was not created, He has always been. He is the creator of all that exists. Keep in mind that God also created time, which is linear and has a beginning and end. God exists in Eternity which has no beginning or end. We are trapped in time and can't help but think in terms of beginnings and ends. It is very hard if not impossible for us to grasp the concept of Eternity and Infinity. God can't explain it to our limited intellects, and described Himself to us only as "I Am".
Your assertion that this is reality does not make it so.
Can you give any indication, never mind proof, that a god exists?
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So you really have no idea where the universe came from--you only know that it exists. You can point to the big bang and sya that's it...but that doesn't account for WHY the big bang happened, or where the matter and space came from.
Instead of suggesting it was created, as is everything that exists, you come up with some silly idea of "randomchancedunnit". Yay for you. Guess it's better than admitting there is a creator, huh?
Aren't you confusing evolution as opposed to how that universe started?
I don't know one person in my life that thinks of God anthropormorphically....
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Any yeah, man created god in his own image.
The curious thing about how we humans historically viewed the mysteries of life - the divine, origins, the universe, etc. - is that we did indeed view them all very anthropomorphically, with some exceptions of course. That alone should give us pause.
Views of divinity typically saw deities in anthropomorphic spectacles - whether in appearance, how they thought, how they acted, how they lived, how they ate, how they mated, how they created, how they ruled, etc. It would be very odd if we assume that the gods existed in this form, and somehow all of our institutions, ways of thinking and acting, etc. all derived from above to exactly mirror the gods. It is much more natural to see the reverse.
Gods were sexed, and most cultures had Creation myths in which the gods produced via sexual acts. If they did not outright screw the world into existence (pardon the expression), they acted like human potters, fashioning everything like a master carpenter. The gods ruled from above via divine assemblies that closely resembled that of human courts, and even had the same types of political statuses -with kings, queens, viceroys, messengers, armies, commanders, etc. They required lesser gods, and later humans in some myths, to till the fields and work for them, and required food via sacrifice -most were mortal and could die from lack of food, or even by murder from other gods. They thought like humans and could be jealous, hateful, prankish, loving, lustful and everything else under the sun. They were not above making mistakes. They were pictured with human parts and limbs, and after all - we were created in their image, in many myths.
Of course, as religions grew and problems arose from this very human view of the gods, humans devised new ways of seeing the gods that separated them from their "humanity" and set them on a plane so high that any attempt to breach the human and divine separation resulted in disaster. Eventually, sexed gods became non-sexed gods in some cases, lost their consorts in others, and rather than being content with ruling a single people became the rulers of the entire universe and so remote that it can hardly be said that one can ever have a "personal relationship" with a god anymore. The gods were shunted aside from human affairs and lived in some Platonist world of pure spirit, too divine to ever manifest the slightest anthropomporphism anymore. The current Jewish and Christian view of God owes much to Plato. The old views of the gods are still in their holy books, but they are explained away, and appeal is made to a few prophetic writings that saw the need to remove God from the human realm to where he could be safe, remote and free of blame for a world that those damned humans kept screwing up.
So I guess it's only natural to see the gods as products of ourselves manifested onto the unknown in the only way we knew how to think in the mists of the past: as ourselves, but with more power. Too much of religious history has had very human and fallible gods to dismiss this fact, in the face of how we prefer to view GOD now - as not really here anymore, really. Too "spirited" to be bothered.
No one, as there is no actual "god", just a feeling that there is a need for a nanny.
So how did we get here, if not for a creator?
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