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Old 11-27-2019, 02:40 PM
 
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actually for very many people, such memories enhance and help advance a human in their progression.
everything happens for a reason, including past life memories surfacing. often times it is for healing. that is a benefit. or it provides a missing piece of information which makes sense of something that had been puzzling. my experience has been that they are very helpful.

saying that past lives should not be remembered is like telling someone not to dream or pay attention to their dreams because they keep someone from progressing. that generalization is simply not correct.

No. They do not. You wish it were that way, but it is not.
I am very serious. Please, do watch Groundhog Day. Then circle back here, I'll be glad to discuss. They did pretty good job on how a human WILL abuse such memories and, how they become a burden on someone to the point, when he thinks only of one thing - how to not exist again.
Past lives memories provide one with ways to abuse current existence, based on previous experiences.
With ways how to gain in current existence, based on previous experiences.
With ways, how to avoid learning experiences that, normally, are not of the pleasant kind.
Finally, the burden of wrongdoings from previous lives mounts up to such weight on human being, that it may crush him or turn his life into total misery.
Do not forget, that human essence re exists in two forms - male and female. Even in that aspect, say, male memories for a now female may be detrimental.

Absence of such memories is, actually, accelerating one's progression, not retarding it.
There's cult movie, Matrix Reloaded.
When human passes into after the death states, his essence is "reloaded". Rebooted, so that he can start from the clean slate.


PS. I wrote the above, then read phetaroi words, thank you.
Ok, confronted and examined. Sure.
So let's imagine, maybe a marginal case, yet, very plausible. Say, a mass killer. That finally was caught, sentenced, life sentence, dies in prison. He re exists with memory of his previous life. He WILL remember RUSH he had, killing people. He, also, WILL remember, how and why he was caught.
You know what he will do? He'll come up with a new, better plan, how to simply - not get caught. And go on killing spree again.
I could multiply such examples for days.

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Old 11-27-2019, 03:31 PM
 
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I kind of agree that they might hold us back.

using past memories is like using a candle to light the way. I mean, sure, they often have the exact same "humanism" beliefs, but its locked up in less information about the world around us.
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Old 11-27-2019, 05:10 PM
 
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See, you and Tzapkiel and phetaroi want to see past lives as some sort of utopial bright and rightous educational material, like a manual one learns from. Reality being, those are simply dirty books everyone is ashamed of and they normally are good only as pornographic, criminal, greed and gluttony manuals.
Of course, this excludes those who believe that they know their previous lives and they are all angely and righteous. Problem with that being - in that the case, why are you still here and not in final destination, heaven?
As OSHO said, in order to correct one lifetime of karma with righteous deeds, one will, along the way, produce ten more lifetimes of sin and new karma. And I agree with him.
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Old 11-27-2019, 05:22 PM
 
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See, you and Tzapkiel and phetaroi want to see past lives as some sort of utopial bright and rightous educational material, like a manual one learns from. Reality being, those are simply dirty books everyone is ashamed of and they normally are good only as pornographic, criminal, greed and gluttony manuals.
Of course, this excludes those who believe that they know their previous lives and they are all angely and righteous. Problem with that being - in that the case, why are you still here and not in final destination, heaven?
As OSHO said, in order to correct one lifetime of karma with righteous deeds, one will, along the way, produce ten more lifetimes of sin and new karma. And I agree with him.
One of the dumbest sentences I've ever seen on this part of the forum. I have no idea what you're talking about.
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Old 11-27-2019, 06:05 PM
 
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One of the dumbest sentences I've ever seen on this part of the forum. I have no idea what you're talking about.
the main idea is that if there are past lives it has the good, bad, and ugly.
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Old 11-27-2019, 06:23 PM
 
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the main idea is that if there are past lives it has the good, bad, and ugly.
You honestly don't think this is a little bizarre: "they normally are good only as pornographic, criminal, greed and gluttony manuals"?
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Old 11-27-2019, 06:28 PM
 
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You honestly don't think this is a little bizarre: "they normally are good only as pornographic, criminal, greed and gluttony manuals"?
I actually thought "wow, uk messed up the wording there." But the over all meaning was clear enough for me. But remember, I am a bumbling atheist so take it for what it is.
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Old 11-27-2019, 07:17 PM
 
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No. It is based on very basic desires a human has and, phetaroi, for 70 yo adult you tend to be very personally offensive, if you do not understand something. Especially for a claimed Buddhist. Choose words wisely, remember what Buddha said about word.

Humans have very basic desires:
- sex
- food
- power
- possessions
Hence, lives are mostly oscillating around them. Seven deadly sins pretty much are in that category. Greed, gluttony, adultery. Oppressing others. Murdering.
Hence, you have 4 words pretty much covering those actions - pornography, criminal, greed and gluttony manuals. With greed being not just for possessions but, for power also. If one was to remember his lives, it'd have been a manual how to do worse, more and not get punished.


I am very careful choosing my wording. Sometimes, it is simply not to the esteemed reviewers highest standards, I guess. Yes, this is called sarcasm.



Again, instead of idly conversing here, I do encourage you to watch Groundhog Day, for this exactly purpose. It is very educative, if you were to look at it from a proper perspective.
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Old 11-27-2019, 07:19 PM
 
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Most of us are talking about great religions and related beliefs. You're talking about Bill Murray,
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Old 11-27-2019, 08:01 PM
 
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No. They do not. You wish it were that way, but it is not.
I am very serious. Please, do watch Groundhog Day. Then circle back here, I'll be glad to discuss. They did pretty good job on how a human WILL abuse such memories and, how they become a burden on someone to the point, when he thinks only of one thing - how to not exist again.
Past lives memories provide one with ways to abuse current existence, based on previous experiences.
With ways how to gain in current existence, based on previous experiences.
With ways, how to avoid learning experiences that, normally, are not of the pleasant kind.
Finally, the burden of wrongdoings from previous lives mounts up to such weight on human being, that it may crush him or turn his life into total misery.
Do not forget, that human essence re exists in two forms - male and female. Even in that aspect, say, male memories for a now female may be detrimental.

Absence of such memories is, actually, accelerating one's progression, not retarding it.
There's cult movie, Matrix Reloaded.
When human passes into after the death states, his essence is "reloaded". Rebooted, so that he can start from the clean slate.


PS. I wrote the above, then read phetaroi words, thank you.
Ok, confronted and examined. Sure.
So let's imagine, maybe a marginal case, yet, very plausible. Say, a mass killer. That finally was caught, sentenced, life sentence, dies in prison. He re exists with memory of his previous life. He WILL remember RUSH he had, killing people. He, also, WILL remember, how and why he was caught.
You know what he will do? He'll come up with a new, better plan, how to simply - not get caught. And go on killing spree again.
I could multiply such examples for days.
if a person bases their life on what they see in movies, they are out of touch with what the reality of life actually is.

like a person who expects marriage to be "like it is in the movies."
or expects women to "look like they do in the movies."
or expects men to "act like they do in the movies."

try listening to the experiences of real people in their real lives discussing and sharing their actual experiences.
it sounds like it is difficult for you to accept that real people have different experiences than what you "see in the movies."
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