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historical fact. Really, that's what I heard him say in his sermon yesterday when I accompanied my parents to church for Easter Sunday. Is this the kind of nonsense that pastors tell their congregations?
IF you need to label people's religious beliefs as "nonsense," then you clearly must feel some sort of conviction.
Whether or not you believe in Jesus and His resurrection is irrelevant: they still exist, with or without your disbelief.
Don't put others down in order to make your own belief system (or lack thereof) somehow important.
I am pressed to understand why you would cite 19 terrorists as an example of Islamic belief.
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You are pressed also? He did it because they are an example of a certain type of Islamic belief, a fundamentalist one that says that Allah makes all things legal for his warriors (literally mentions only Muhammad in most translations) taken straight from verses in the Quran.
... And he cited them as an example of being willing to die for your religion, if you believe you will gain paradise when dying for "the cause."
Let's get back on track, the pastors are often ignorant of a lot of things, blocking themselves off from the cold, hard and beautiful and natural truth in their synthetic ivory towers... that is the reason they so often lie for Jesus both accidentally and purposefully, since "human ethics" shouldn't matter to them but only their own desires and rewards in bringing people to Jesus any way they can.
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Let's get back on track, the pastors are often ignorant of a lot of things, blocking themselves off from the cold, hard and beautiful and natural truth in their synthetic ivory towers... that is the reason they so often "lie for Jesus" both accidentally and purposefully, since "human ethics" shouldn't matter to them but only their own desires and rewards in bringing people to Jesus any way they can.
At least you put "lie for Jesus" in quotes. It means that you don't really believe that these people are lying.
At least you put "lie for Jesus" in quotes. It means that you don't really believe that these people are lying.
At least,
"lying for Jesus" is such a commonly observed Christian tactic that it has become a quote in my mind (although who first coined the phrase, I am unaware about), I'll fix the post to a more generalizable reading level, since I thought it should be clear that I did believe that a lot of pastors lie in order to proselytize their Christianity (and even psychologically-biasedly to increase Church donations and not pay taxes on the properties that are owned by the churches).
At least you put "lie for Jesus" in quotes. It means that you don't really believe that these people are lying.
Lying for Jesus covers a wide range of disinformation from just reciting claims without questioning to making claims wothout substantiation. It alo goes on to dismissing the refutation and repeating the refuted claim later on.
I still don't know whether this is just a form of brainwashed faith -hypnotism or deliberate dishonesty. But I know it happens. In fact pretty much all the time.
As an individual who left organized religion (or any religion) nearly 50 years ago I really don't care what a preacher says in regards to his sermon or homily.
Nor should good old DavidRudisha, the OP, except he's church in order to keep the money coming from his parents:
That doesn't explain why the disciples while being tortured prior to execution didn't jump up and say 'OK, you are right, Jesus didn't rise from the dead, we just made that up!"
Which of the disciples were actually tortured and executed? And more importantly, what evidence do you have for their fates? I thought that their martyrdom was a later addition to the Jesus mythology rather than a historical fact.
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