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Old 05-20-2015, 09:10 AM
 
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Marriage will discourage promiscuity.
It is Jeffs contention, which he is yet to evidence in any way at all, that SSM would actually INCREASE the quantity of gay sex, promiscuity, STD, and hence financial burden on the medical system in the US.

Where he is pulling that from is a mystery as he refuses to substantiate it in even the smallest way however.
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Old 05-20-2015, 09:59 AM
 
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It is Jeffs contention, which he is yet to evidence in any way at all, that SSM would actually INCREASE the quantity of gay sex, promiscuity, STD, and hence financial burden on the medical system in the US.

Where he is pulling that from is a mystery as he refuses to substantiate it in even the smallest way however.

Wrong. I presented evidence from Denmark which has had SSM for 15 years. No evidence at all that HIV rates have drastically decreased. No evidence that gay men are staying monogamous.
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Old 05-20-2015, 10:08 AM
 
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Wrong. I presented evidence from Denmark which has had SSM for 15 years. No evidence at all that HIV rates have drastically decreased. No evidence that gay men are staying monogamous.
Because SO MANY HETERO couples are monogamous..
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Old 05-20-2015, 10:39 AM
 
Location: The #1 sunshine state, Arizona.
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Jeff, wouldn't it also be a sin to bake a wedding cake for an adulterer who is getting remarried for a second or third time? Seems like wedding cake bakers and bridal shop owners have been committing sins, by going against their religious beliefs though out history. If these merchants turned away all of the heterosexual adulterers looking to remarry, they would be out of business. Don't you think it is hypocritical to go after a small portion of sinners, yet compromise your beliefs when offering your services a disproportionately larger population of sinners?
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Old 05-20-2015, 10:43 AM
 
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Wrong. I presented evidence from Denmark which has had SSM for 15 years. No evidence at all that HIV rates have drastically decreased. No evidence that gay men are staying monogamous.
EXHIBIT A:

The percentage of heterosexual men who reported having sex with someone other than their wife dropped to 10% in 2000 from 28% in 1975;

among married women, it declined to 14% from 23%.

Among gay men, the percentage who cheated on a partner they lived with dropped to 59% from 83%;

for lesbians it declined to 8% from 28%. Half the gays and lesbians in the study were in civil unions, half were living together in committed relationships, the researchers say.

Did the paper say--DROPPED? as in LOWER? as n STAYING MONOGAMOUS??

OMF.....(OMF International. We share the good news of Jesus Christ in all its fullness with East Asia's peoples to the glory of God.)

God is working that LOVE bug to death, well at least into MONOGAMY...
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Old 05-20-2015, 11:28 AM
 
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Jeff, wouldn't it also be a sin to bake a wedding cake for an adulterer who is getting remarried for a second or third time? Seems like wedding cake bakers and bridal shop owners have been committing sins, by going against their religious beliefs though out history. If these merchants turned away all of the heterosexual adulterers looking to remarry, they would be out of business. Don't you think it is hypocritical to go after a small portion of sinners, yet compromise your beliefs when offering your services a disproportionately larger population of sinners?
That is a good point. Don't expect a straight (no pun intended) answer from jeffbase.
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Old 05-20-2015, 02:26 PM
 
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Jeff, wouldn't it also be a sin to bake a wedding cake for an adulterer who is getting remarried for a second or third time? Seems like wedding cake bakers and bridal shop owners have been committing sins, by going against their religious beliefs though out history. If these merchants turned away all of the heterosexual adulterers looking to remarry, they would be out of business. Don't you think it is hypocritical to go after a small portion of sinners, yet compromise your beliefs when offering your services a disproportionately larger population of sinners?
I can hear jeff's thoughts now: "But, but, but . . . the men are having that disgusting anal sex and stuff!! They are just NOT normal!" You will get no reasoned response from him.
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Old 05-20-2015, 04:37 PM
 
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I can hear jeff's thoughts now: "But, but, but . . . the men are having that disgusting anal sex and stuff!! They are just NOT normal!" You will get no reasoned response from him.
Why don't the religious zealots, don't go after the adulterers, could it be that it hits too close to home?
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Old 05-20-2015, 07:06 PM
 
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Except that is all a lie from you. Firstly I have given many reasons for the rate of STDs in the Gay Community, including but not limited to explanations of why it is not as high as you claim it to be. I have not danced around anything, rather I have clarified the distortions and misrepresentations you have engaged in. And I have ignored not a single link, but opened every one of them and analysed them openly on this thread for you.

So no, not one thing you just said there is true. At all.



Not remotely as much as you want to pretend they are, and few studies have shown it to be so. The few studies that did show it turned out to be horrifically biased. They pretended, for example, to be studying gay men as a whole. But they were not, they sourced ALL their gay men from known cruising locations where the promiscuous ones hang out.

As I said earlier in this thread, that it like pretending to do a study on the drinking habits of Americans, but source all your subjects for the study from the Early Ale House down the local Docks. It is not accurate. It is not useful. And above all it is NOT honest.

You are required, by your narrative, to pretend they are all having Anal Sex, yet studies do not bear this out and show it to be a minority practice.

You are required, by your narrative, to pretend they are all promiscuous, yet studies also do not bear this out.

By all means campaign to raise awareness of the dangers of promiscuity and unsafe anal sex. I do it too, so we would be brothers in arms at that one.

But your agenda to pretend those things are 1:1 synonymous with homosexuality when they are not.... and every attempt by you to pretend they are has been.... yes.... decimated..... is simply getting you nowhere except inundated with users replying to highlight your errors and biases.

For all your bluster, still no answer to my question. How are gay men contracting HIV at an alarming rate if it has nothing to promiscuous or sexual activity? If your claim is that gay men ARE NOT contracting HIV at a high rate then give me concrete proof that the CDC is wrong. I want supporting evidence, not your glazed over talk. No direct answer will be considered as another dodge.
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Old 05-20-2015, 07:51 PM
 
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Jeff, wouldn't it also be a sin to bake a wedding cake for an adulterer who is getting remarried for a second or third time? Seems like wedding cake bakers and bridal shop owners have been committing sins, by going against their religious beliefs though out history. If these merchants turned away all of the heterosexual adulterers looking to remarry, they would be out of business. Don't you think it is hypocritical to go after a small portion of sinners, yet compromise your beliefs when offering your services a disproportionately larger population of sinners?
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I can hear jeff's thoughts now: "But, but, but . . . the men are having that disgusting anal sex and stuff!! They are just NOT normal!" You will get no reasoned response from him.
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For all your bluster, still no answer to my question. How are gay men contracting HIV at an alarming rate if it has nothing to promiscuous or sexual activity? If your claim is that gay men ARE NOT contracting HIV at a high rate then give me concrete proof that the CDC is wrong. I want supporting evidence, not your glazed over talk. No direct answer will be considered as another dodge.
As expected, Eliza. QED!
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