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Old 04-21-2015, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Perhaps a better more expanded measure of intelligence is the ability to find new uses for existing tools and teach it to others.
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Old 04-21-2015, 07:46 PM
 
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Think about it, how many of us have ever created a tool?
Lets's see.... the last tool I made was for removing a small rock that had gotten sucked into the vacuum cleaner. The carpet brush wouldn't rotate. Couldn't find anything in the tool box that I could use to reach the rock and pop it loose. So I got a wire clothes hanger and cut a piece about 9" long. Then I bent it at a 45 degree angle so I could maneuver it enough to get the rock out. Worked so well I put it in the tool drawer in case it happens again.

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Old 04-21-2015, 08:39 PM
 
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Lets's see.... the last tool I made was for removing a small rock that had gotten sucked into the vacuum cleaner. The carpet brush wouldn't rotate. Couldn't find anything in the tool box that I could use to reach the rock and pop it loose. So I got a wire clothes hanger and cut a piece about 9" long. Then I bent it at a 45 degree angle so I could maneuver it enough to get the rock out. Worked so well I put it in the tool drawer in case it happens again.
OK, fine, so you made a tool. You are allowed to keep your human card. I have never made a tool so mine has been revoked.
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Old 04-21-2015, 08:52 PM
 
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I have never made a tool so mine has been revoked.
Nonsense. Necessity is the mother of invention. Tool making takes imagination and raw material. Tomorrow could be the day you make the tool that makes everyone say, "Now whey didn't I think of that?" and you make a fortune selling it to all the insomniacs who watch late-night TV.
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Old 04-21-2015, 09:30 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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Nonsense. Necessity is the mother of invention. Tool making takes imagination and raw material. Tomorrow could be the day you make the tool that makes everyone say, "Now whey didn't I think of that?" and you make a fortune selling it to all the insomniacs who watch late-night TV.
Really? That is great news. Here at GrandCo we have a number of unique, groundbreaking inventions and are looking for investors.

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Old 04-21-2015, 09:38 PM
 
Location: NW AR
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Very interesting find, as scientists agree that these tools were not made by species categorized as humans, but the forebearers or proto humans.

They are not yet connecting it to 3.2 million year-old Australopithecus afarensis remains better known as Lucy, but looking for further evidence.

Science keeps pushing back on the boundaries of the common ancestor of modern apes and humans. Both chimps and crows are known to use tools, but actually make them has always being defined as a hallmark of being human. That concept may have to change.

In pretty sure the Adam/Eve concept came many years later

World’s oldest stone tools discovered in Kenya
Interesting.
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Old 04-21-2015, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Smart as we are - and we are - we have very much to learn from animals and plants and Ma Nature.
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Old 04-22-2015, 01:20 AM
 
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OK, fine, so you made a tool. You are allowed to keep your human card. I have never made a tool so mine has been revoked.
Wait a minute ... you've NEVER made a tool and yet go by the name Artifice? Hee hee, something ironic about that.

At any rate, I'm willing to bet you have made a tool before and either just don't remember or think it doesn't count as a tool.

As for keeping our human card, the reason why most humans don't make tools is because we have factories that mass produce them. I don't see other animals doing THAT. There's no reason for individual humans to make their own hammers and such when there's a hardware store down the street.

I do remember making a lot of impromptu tools as a kid ... or improvising by using a tool for a task other than what it was designed for. My friends and I were outdoors kids and we certainly didn't wear a tool belt around while on our little adventures. We've had to do everything from build rickety bridges out of tree limbs to using a simple stick as a lever to pry off a flat bicycle tire. Ya just never know.
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Old 04-22-2015, 02:41 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Necessity is the mother of invention.
Where there's a will there's a way.
And my own contribution........if the patent process wasn't so expensive, a lot more of us
would hold one.
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Old 04-22-2015, 07:38 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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I got a "not found" when I clicked the link. Best double-check it.
I got it. In fact I have heard that present day apes use tools, bits of wood and stones to dig, probe and crack. Just some evidence that some smart ape got the idea that, rather than look around for a sharp enough stone to cut, you break the one you have.

And you don't even need a monolith to give you the idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y15NnGZIBuM

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