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Old 08-26-2015, 11:39 AM
 
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No one is seriously claiming it does ... anymore. Promoting heliocentrism, which is still quite a bit short of our current understanding of the cosmos, over geocentrism, could at one time in history get you excommunicated, jailed, or worse. Not because the Bible really teaches it, but because it violated the notion that the earth was a sort of stage where a redemptive drama was playing out before that heavenly "great cloud of witnesses" ... rather than an insignificant and far from unique planet orbiting an unremarkable star in a boring arm of a fairly boring galaxy amongst billions of similar galaxies. It was the implications of the vastness of the universe and the mundaneness of our place in it that made orthodox Christian's heads explode centuries ago. Now all that is priced in and the church has found other ways to spin it, is all.

The Bible does not systematically teach anything about the cosmos, it simply assumes the cosmology of its day ... pillars of the heavens, the firmament, the underworld, etc. Now we have those concepts mapped to more modern understandings. I used to think of "the heavens" and "the firmament" as just "the expanse of the sky as we now understand it". But that is just superimposing modern understanding on an ancient concept that was far more limited.

Odd that the Bible leads from behind like this, when one would reasonably expect a divinely inspired book from the Creator's own mind to be way ahead of its time.
I agree--the Bible really DOESN'T describe the universe in detail. That's not the reason it was written. Have human beings jumped to the wrong conclusions? Sure. "Science" has always done stuff like that.
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Old 08-26-2015, 11:43 AM
 
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Old 08-26-2015, 11:49 AM
 
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150 billion 'suns' on just our little Galaxy...most 50xs larger than ours!
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Old 08-26-2015, 11:53 AM
 
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And even with those size comparisons it is MY heart the Creator wants...
I'm not making that up ...'He' told me....didn't come from any book.
Think I'm nuts? Back at ya that you might think God 'can't' simply talk to us...
that is some nutty concept fed to us...as in we are 'unworthy'....that's bs.
He talks in complete sentences...and with profound clarity and emotion.
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Old 08-26-2015, 11:59 AM
 
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150 billion 'suns' on just our little Galaxy...most 50xs larger than ours!
Neat pictures or pictations! Did you take them yourself?
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Old 08-26-2015, 02:14 PM
 
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Take them herself? Not even Miss Hepburn can get that far out. Though she might try...☺️


Stay out there, Missy. We need someone with your point of view. And we all love you.
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Old 08-27-2015, 08:21 AM
 
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And even with those size comparisons it is MY heart the Creator wants...
I'm not making that up ...'He' told me....didn't come from any book.
Think I'm nuts? Back at ya that you might think God 'can't' simply talk to us...
that is some nutty concept fed to us...as in we are 'unworthy'....that's bs.
He talks in complete sentences...and with profound clarity and emotion.
Voices in your head?
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Old 08-27-2015, 10:14 AM
 
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Voices in your head?
Isn't it nice to be able to say such things online? Understandably, it's lot's cheaper than (paying a co-pay) going to a psychiatrist.
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Old 08-27-2015, 10:49 AM
 
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I agree--the Bible really DOESN'T describe the universe in detail. That's not the reason it was written. Have human beings jumped to the wrong conclusions? Sure. "Science" has always done stuff like that.
You're not really addressing my point. Those humans who jumped to the wrong conclusions were by and large church officials, not scientists. It was scientists who were advancing our understanding of the cosmos, not the church.

But thanks at least for acknowledging that when science is shown to be wrong (or more accurately, demonstrates itself to be wrong), it changes accordingly.
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Old 08-27-2015, 12:47 PM
 
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You're not really addressing my point. Those humans who jumped to the wrong conclusions were by and large church officials, not scientists. It was scientists who were advancing our understanding of the cosmos, not the church.
The greatest minds at one point thought the earth was flat. That was the "scholars" of the day. Were they religious or in employ of the church? Yes. Does that mean it was the Bible that taught them what they thought? No. The fact is, the bible doesn't teach a flat earth, or that the earth is the center of the universe.
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But thanks at least for acknowledging that when science is shown to be wrong (or more accurately, demonstrates itself to be wrong), it changes accordingly.
But it does not necessarily change to a correct notion.
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