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So you are saying atheism is a religion now? I thought it was just non-belief. So what is this speech you want to protect for atheists? The problem is you want to see the laws favor your own brand of ideology which is extremely hostile to religion. Christian fascism? Can you even give one example how Christians are being fascists?
You should be free to share your beliefs, but you should also learn to respect other people's beliefs. This billboard was an unnecessary offensive message.
You should be free to share your beliefs, but you should also learn to respect other people's beliefs. This billboard was an unnecessary offensive message.
Are you talking about the billboard that's says
"All I want to do is skip church. I'm too old for fairy tales."?
You find that offensive? Compared to the verbal bombs some Christians throw at atheists, that is nothing.
"All I want to do is skip church. I'm too old for fairy tales."?
You find that offensive? Compared to the verbal bombs some Christians throw at atheists, that is nothing.
Wow atheists are so prickly and sensitive. Verbal bombs? Our billboards are only telling the truth. This one was carefully designed to antagonize Christians. Disgusting to say the least.
Wow atheists are so prickly and sensitive. Verbal bombs? Our billboards are only telling the truth. This one was carefully designed to antagonize Christians. Disgusting to say the least.
Your billboards tell your point of view, which you perceive as truth.
Wow atheists are so prickly and sensitive. Verbal bombs? Our billboards are only telling the truth. This one was carefully designed to antagonize Christians. Disgusting to say the least.
Unbelievable We point out that you screaming about a billboard stating an admittedly dismissive swipe at religion is hardly justified when we get 'The fool has said in his heart..' type messages about atheism on a regular basis. You don't deny then but claim they are ok because they tell the truth. Well, we say we are telling the truth. So why are you getting so prickly and sensitive?
You are on my ignore list however I still see some of what you wrote when people quote you. So you think that telling people they can still be good without going to church is offensive. I would guess that implies you do not think that a person who does not go to church can be a good person and that a billboard that stated you cannot be a good person without going to church would not be offensive but simply telling the truth. You also stated
Originally Posted by jeffbase40 Wow atheists are so prickly and sensitive. Verbal bombs? Our billboards are only telling the truth. This one was carefully designed to antagonize Christians. Disgusting to say the least.
My comments are :
So the billboard that claims that atheiests are anti American and are traitors is only telling the truth? If not that you were not telling the truth in what is quoted above and in bold. The penalty for treason is imprisionment or during time of war, death. Is that really a truthful statement, you think those who do not believe in your god should be imprisioned or executed? I find the message that it is OK to treat atheiests as the enemy of your country and that they do not deserve to be live free as a disgusting message however you claim it is only telling the truth. And the atheists billboard was not telling the truth? One can only be a good person going to a church on Christmas so that not only rules out atheists who are not going to church simply to please a family member or the community but also all non Christians and JW members. And you most likely cannot see that as an offensive comment.
You have in the past stated that you thought that atheists were trying to outlaw Christianity but you stated that the billboards that advocate imprisioning atheists is only telling the truth. Who is the one that whats to use the law to outlaw the other side, us who do not want it or your side that makes billboards advocating it. I am sorry but if you are offended by a billboard aimed at fellow atheists you are the one that is thin skinned, and if you see nothing offensive about telling a person due to their lack of belief that they are not really a citizen of their own country and belong in jail then you are wrong.
Unbelievable We point out that you screaming about a billboard stating an admittedly dismissive swipe at religion is hardly justified when we get 'The fool has said in his heart..' type messages about atheism on a regular basis. You don't deny then but claim they are ok because they tell the truth. Well, we say we are telling the truth. So why are you getting so prickly and sensitive?
Much as I'm tempted to suggest it is, Jeff's reaction is not unique to religion or to fundamentalism, simply more prevalent there. I've seen it in politics too. In a recent online exchange in a politics discussion, "poster B" expressed that they disagreed with "poster A" and stated the reasons why. Poster A's response was that they resent being "disrespected" and "pressured to abandon their position". They even snuck in a name-calling accusation when in fact no names were called.
This confusing of simple disagreement with hatred, persecution, and personal annihilation seemingly cant' be reasoned with. To folks like Jeff, in and outside the church, everyone who doesn't believe as he does, hates him and is out to get him.
That is why it's okay for his folks to put up a billboard, "The fool has said in his heart, there is no god" but it's not okay for us to put one up saying "You don't have to go to church if you don't want to". It's helped, I supposed by special pleading for god ("we're just quoting god's word, but you're undermining god's word that commands us to not forsake the assembling of ourselves together"). But stripped of all the dogma all it really is, is another point of view.
Stripping it of all the dogma is something Jeff isn't capable of doing though; to do so, he'd have to stand aside from his beliefs and not see his point of view as endorsed by god and ours endorsed by Satan.
Much as I'm tempted to suggest it is, Jeff's reaction is not unique to religion or to fundamentalism, simply more prevalent there. I've seen it in politics too. In a recent online exchange in a politics discussion, "poster B" expressed that they disagreed with "poster A" and stated the reasons why. Poster A's response was that they resent being "disrespected" and "pressured to abandon their position". They even snuck in a name-calling accusation when in fact no names were called.
This confusing of simple disagreement with hatred, persecution, and personal annihilation seemingly cant' be reasoned with. To folks like Jeff, in and outside the church, everyone who doesn't believe as he does, hates him and is out to get him.
That is why it's okay for his folks to put up a billboard, "The fool has said in his heart, there is no god" but it's not okay for us to put one up saying "You don't have to go to church if you don't want to". It's helped, I supposed by special pleading for god ("we're just quoting god's word, but you're undermining god's word that commands us to not forsake the assembling of ourselves together"). But stripped of all the dogma all it really is, is another point of view.
Stripping it of all the dogma is something Jeff isn't capable of doing though; to do so, he'd have to stand aside from his beliefs and not see his point of view as endorsed by god and ours endorsed by Satan.
The difference is the intent. This billboard was designed to take a dump on a treasured Christian holiday and provoke a reaction. Now let's say I live in a community that is 90% atheist and atheists have their own celebration day. Then I put up a big billboard saying "Godless celebration today! Celebrate your path to Hell!" I would expect similar negative reaction from the community. I would actually feel it would be too disrespectful to display the message.
The difference is the intent. This billboard was designed to take a dump on a treasured Christian holiday and provoke a reaction. Now let's say I live in a community that is 90% atheist and atheists have their own celebration day. Then I put up a big billboard saying "Godless celebration today! Celebrate your path to Hell!" I would expect similar negative reaction from the community. I would actually feel it would be too disrespectful to display the message.
Yes, Jeff, telling people they are going to hell is the same as telling people they can be good people without going to church. Yea, exactly the same. EXACTLY.
I swear, you guys apparently do not understand hypocrisy, or idiocy.
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We point out that you screaming about a billboard stating an admittedly dismissive swipe at religion is hardly justified when we get 'The fool has said in his heart..' type messages about atheism on a regular basis. You don't deny then but claim they are ok because they tell the truth. Well, we say we are telling the truth. So why are you getting so prickly and sensitive?
