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The real concern is that he's trying to win an election knowing that he's basically blowing smoke: He's going to face a brick wall in Congress. The right way to accomplish the Sanders revolution was to start three years earlier by first getting a majority in the House of Representatives - not a Democratic majority, a majority of Democratic Socialist supporters. That's the only way anything Sanders is talking about would have had a chance of seeing the light of day.
You would be surprised at how much support the up and coming generation has for Sander's essentially FDR-style pluralism, or how much they desire the kind of society that democratic socialism has produced for the happy Nordic countries. In fact how much a lot of people under 45 or so feel that way.
Besides, when Sanders gets elected, it will change the dynamic. He already has. There are a dozen or so liberal democrats, running viable down-ticket campaigns using the methods Sanders pioneered (not accepting $$ from corporate interests). One of them is even giving the DNC chair herself a pretty good (and in my view, well-deserved) run for her congressional seat. Another is mounting a campaign for Rubio's vacated Senate seat -- which I'm sure would make Rubio's head explode if he wins it. Others in NY and MD and WA and IL for example are running on the same lines.
Win or lose, Sander's grassroots organization isn't going anywhere ... it's going to keep pushing for reform and putting up candidates.
In fact I would daresay that Obama's fatal mistake in both his campaigns was in thanking his supporters and sending them on their way rather than having them participate in his initiatives actively. It's how "hope and change" became "nope and strange" in my view.
The fact that you're talking about my response to being wronged in this way by mordant is ridiculous. When someone shoves words in your mouth, you can coin a word for it too. But let's be clear, it isn't mocking. It is a full fledged accusation of distortion. I wasn't making fun of mordant; I was calling mordant out for the offense. "You wronged me."
I cannot imagine whatever made you think that the -splaining suffix is ever used in a mocking manner. It is very serious.
Ah the old "persecuted me first" bit. An oldie but goodie.
You're jumping thru hoops to stay away from such labels. I can understand why because it causes dissonance between who you think you are and stand for....versus your actual behavior being defined in contrast to it. I'll say that you wouldn't be the first person to not live up to standards you have for yourself. It's just being human.
And I'll reiterate the same thing I keep saying. Mocking and ridicule is a natural part of dialog when confronted with ideas that challenge our credulity. You can debate at what point it becomes abuse and inappropriate....but your uses of it doesn't cross that line in my view. I'm merely pointing out the untenable standards you and TZ are trying to say you hold.
Here is the first sentence in your post. I challenge you to diagram that sentence's grammar to prove that nothing is missing: "Do you realize that on a thread the use of the analytical mind between theist and non theist you quoted a non theist?" The reality is that your writing was not comprehensible, though your tone was. I think we all know what you were trying to say - that you didn't like I posted - but if you want it to be acknowledge as a potentially valid thought you're going to have to express it in full sentences, and not just outline what you didn't like about what was said but also include why you didn't like it. Start over. Write a full thought and I promise to give it the attention it deserves.
OK I see what you are saying. "about"...I missed putting the word about in that sentence.
I couldn't figure out what you were talking about. I knew what I meant so every time I reread the sentence my mind kept putting the work "about" in there. Does that ever happen to you? Your mind thinks it is one way so that's the only way you can see it.
I was wondering how you couldn't understand my writing but you somehow got intent out of it. It seemed to me that you also tried to get the operation of my mind by knowing why I choose a specific word to use. You also made statements about how I felt. that seems like an awful lot of information gleaned from childish gibberish.
you raise a good point.
when someone displays the offensive base behavior of name-calling, insults, ridicule, and belittling, then it completely invalidates whatever message or opinion they may be trying to express. "what they are saying" is not even heard, because of "how they are saying it."
they lose all credibility. so no intelligent conversation or dialogue or exchange of ideas or increased understanding or discussion can occur. in that sense you are correct, I don't engage.
if someone on a street corner is calling you names, do you stick around to hear what he is saying, or do you walk away? to put it bluntly, no matter how brilliant someone claims to be, if they ridicule others, then they lose all credibility. since they are not displaying intelligent behavior, then it follows that they have nothing intelligent to say. how they talk to others completely invalidates anything of substance or importance they might seek to convey. they are not taken seriously.
TZ you appear to have some serious personal issues that you really need to work on.
Perhaps you could learn a few things from the very easy to understand Four Agreements book.
One of the Four Agreements is: Don't Take Anything Personally
Nothing others do is because of you. What others say and do is a projection of their own reality, their own dream. When you are immune to the opinion and actions of others, you won't be the victim of needless suffering.
there is no implicit reason she needs to engage with people she finds to be abusive.
you raise a good point.
when someone displays the offensive base behavior of name-calling, insults, ridicule, and belittling, then it completely invalidates whatever message or opinion they may be trying to express. "what they are saying" is not even heard, because of "how they are saying it."
they lose all credibility. so no intelligent conversation or dialogue or exchange of ideas or increased understanding or discussion can occur. in that sense you are correct, I don't engage.
if someone on a street corner is calling you names, do you stick around to hear what he is saying, or do you walk away? to put it bluntly, no matter how brilliant someone claims to be, if they ridicule others, then they lose all credibility. since they are not displaying intelligent behavior, then it follows that they have nothing intelligent to say. how they talk to others completely invalidates anything of substance or importance they might seek to convey. they are not taken seriously.
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so the atheist in your face shouting "stupid superstitious ridiculous" quoting Pew research studies as proof, is no different than the Bible thumper in your face shouting "sinner Satan hellfire" reciting Scripture as proof. They are one and the same, which is the intelligent, astute, accurate point that bUU made early on. They exhibit the very same offensive arrogant self-righteous behavior. For the atheist who champions this in-your-face name-calling, you have become what you loathe.
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Originally Posted by bUU
... directed against religious reactionaries but the behavior is practiced by atheists as well. ...
People must be the change they want to see, not become as offensive as their abusers.
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