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Did he exclusively do this to women? Or are the only publicly known incidents involving women?
Not that it'd surprise me, mind you. I am just trying to be careful of the known facts of the case here.
Whether a woman or a man, I'm not sure it's relevant. If, say...a Mormon police officer had stopped me and he began to tell me the virtues of Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon, I'm not sure that I, as a large man, would feel very comfortable with telling him "No, thanks". He's an officer--I've been taught to respect police officers and to obey them.
While I do not share your views that this guy is as evil as you seem to be suggesting, I do agree that he has been warned, and he continued to do it. Christians do not have a right in our country to disobey our employers. He does not have a fundamental right to do that while on the job.
Vizio, I want to commend you for consistently taking this stance, at least in principle. I think you deserve full credit for that. If you've been inconsistent or made exceptions to this I'm not aware of it.
I fully support the officer's right to believe what he believes but not any perceived right to impose it on others or to defraud his employer through bending of rules. Particularly when he is wielding state power and must be always as much as humanly possible above any possible accusations of intimidation. Using a position of secular power to impose religious dogma is fascistic and wrong, on so many levels.
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While I do not share your views that this guy is as evil as you seem to be suggesting, I do agree that he has been warned, and he continued to do it. Christians do not have a right in our country to disobey our employers. He does not have a fundamental right to do that while on the job.
Thanks for seeing the point; he was wrong as a public servant in what he did. I'm not sure why the comment that I suggested he was evil as I didn't. I certainly suggested that he was wrong, and that we have seen a plethora of public servants who put their faith above their sworn duty to the State.
If, say...a Mormon police officer had stopped me and he began to tell me the virtues of Joseph Smith .....
I put the odds of that happening at zero to none. I've known a LOT of LDS. Not one has ever told me about the "virtues of Joseph Smith".
Though if the missionaries are doing that....I don't know. I always offer them a cold drink and say, "No thanks." Other than that....not a peep about "the virtues of Joseph Smith" from any Mormon I've known. Lol...after years of riding a school bus full of very vocal and faithful Mormons who out-numbered we non-Mormons by about 8 to 1 .....I'd have noticed.
We know there were two women. These are the known facts. In his world women must submit, so he maintains his power by making them submit to his power.
Is it a pattern? It is more than one. Seems serial behavior.
If it reflects a pattern of targeting women it may be entirely misogynist or it may more reflect that he is afraid to do it to a "big man" like Viz. Or he knows at some level that men are more likely to complain and to be believed when they complain.
But I think a sample size of two is hardly enough to establish a pattern. The obvious pattern we can be certain of is one of proselytizing on the job, leveraging the ultimate captive audience by virtue of his position of power. Enough to be fired over, which shows he was doing enough of it to be a liability to the tight fraternity of police.
If it reflects a pattern of targeting women it may be entirely misogynist or it may more reflect that he is afraid to do it to a "big man" like Viz. Or he knows at some level that men are more likely to complain and to be believed when they complain.
But I think a sample size of two is hardly enough to establish a pattern. The obvious pattern we can be certain of is one of proselytizing on the job, leveraging the ultimate captive audience by virtue of his position of power. Enough to be fired over, which shows he was doing enough of it to be a liability to the tight fraternity of police.
Two is a fact. It is enough of a pattern. Victims often are afraid to complain. Now that the man is fired, perhaps victims will have the courage to tell their stories. In that man's world, women need to submit to his power. Men are given a pass. I think there are other women.
Viz is not a big man. Viz is fat and undernourished.
Two is a fact. It is enough of a pattern. Victims often are afraid to complain. Now that the man is fired, perhaps victims will have the courage to tell their stories. In that man's world, women need to submit to his power. Men are given a pass. I think there are other women.
Viz is not a big man. Viz is fat and undernourished.
Lol ... I was speaking to Viz's claim that even he as a "big man" would be afraid to disagree with Mr Policeman-with-a-tract.
But I really have to say, while you may be completely correct ... and I would be unsurprised to find that you are, particularly given the patriarchal leanings of Bad Cop's theology of choice ... a sample size of two does not a trend make. We would have to see the dozen or whatever number of incidents reports were considered in his firing to determine whether he targeted 100% or even 85% women.
The salient point really isn't about gender though. He abused his position of trust and authority to proselytize, and whether he did it to women, or men and women, equally or unequally, he shouldn't have done it at all. If it turned out that he targeted women exclusively or disproportionately then that adds a layer of wrongness to it but determining that is not necessary to defrock him, thankfully.
No one should force their religion and politics on others, it is WRONG!
Agreed, -- and heartily! But what about all manner of Political Correctness foisted upon the young and impressionable by self-appointed Social Justice Warriors ensconced within the public school system?
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