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Old 06-18-2016, 02:05 PM
 
Location: USA
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As opposed it's "all wrong just because Freak says it is"?
The burden of proof is on you and MysticPhD to back up your truth claims. So far, you and Mystic have provided nothing. So there's no reason for me or anyone else to take your claims seriously.

Please back up your claims with evidence, and I will be first in line to believe you. I've been waiting for a year and a half.
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Old 06-18-2016, 02:06 PM
 
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The burden of proof is on you and MysticPhD to back up your truth claims. So far, you and Mystic have provided nothing. So there's no reason for me or anyone else to take your claims seriously.

Please back up your claims with evidence, and I will be first in line to believe you.
I don't have to. I make no claims on my own authority. But if you don't believe the Bible, I don't much care. I can't force you to believe.
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Old 06-18-2016, 02:24 PM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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I don't have to. I make no claims on my own authority. But if you don't believe the Bible, I don't much care. I can't force you to believe.
In other words, if it is true for you, it's true?
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Old 06-18-2016, 02:28 PM
 
Location: USA
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I don't have to. I make no claims on my own authority. But if you don't believe the Bible, I don't much care. I can't force you to believe.
If you're going to make the extraordinary claim that everything inthe Bible is absolute unquestionable truth, you need to back up that claim. Otherwise, you are no different than some homeless guy who says that the universe is under the control of purple monkeys living inside the planet Neptune.

So which is more likely to be true: your claim that the Bible is absolute truth, or the claim that the universe is controlled by purple monkeys living inside the planet Neptune?
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Old 06-18-2016, 02:39 PM
 
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If you're going to make the extraordinary claim that everything inthe Bible is absolute unquestionable truth, you need to back up that claim. Otherwise, you are no different than some homeless guy who says that the universe is under the control of purple monkeys living inside the planet Neptune.

So which is more likely to be true: your claim that the Bible is absolute truth, or the claim that the universe is controlled by purple monkeys living inside the planet Neptune?
It is absolute truth. And no--it's not up to me to prove that to you. If you're unwilling to believe after reading it (I assume you HAVE read it if you're going to criticize it), there isn't much I can do. You seem like a nice guy, and I would like to see you come to faith in Christ, but I am not compelled to prove to you what you refuse to believe.
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Old 06-18-2016, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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It is absolute truth. And no--it's not up to me to prove that to you. If you're unwilling to believe after reading it (I assume you HAVE read it if you're going to criticize it), there isn't much I can do. You seem like a nice guy, and I would like to see you come to faith in Christ, but I am not compelled to prove to you what you refuse to believe.
Refuse implies stubbornness. It's more a matter of can't believe.
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Old 06-18-2016, 03:03 PM
 
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It is absolute truth. And no--it's not up to me to prove that to you.
So says every religious fanatic/lunatic in history.

MysticPhD has the same attitude toward his claims: they are absolute truth because he says they are absolute truth, and he is under no obligation to prove it to anyone, because he JUST KNOWS he has the absolute truth.

Fanatical Muslims have the exact same attitude: they have the truth, and they are under no obligation to prove it to anyone. They JUST KNOW that it's true.


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If you're unwilling to believe after reading it (I assume you HAVE read it if you're going to criticize it), there isn't much I can do. You seem like a nice guy, and I would like to see you come to faith in Christ, but I am not compelled to prove to you what you refuse to believe.
And like every religious zealot in history, you believe that my lack of belief is due to a fundamental defect on my part. Obviously it's impossible for a sane person to think your religion isn't true.

Only an idiot can't see that the Quran is obviously the absolute truth. So says the Muslim fundamentalist.

Only an idiot can't see the obvious truth that the universe is controlled by purple monkeys living inside the planet Neptune. So says the homeless guy down the street.
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Old 06-18-2016, 04:29 PM
 
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The burden of proof is on you and MysticPhD to back up your truth claims. So far, you and Mystic have provided nothing. So there's no reason for me or anyone else to take your claims seriously.

Please back up your claims with evidence, and I will be first in line to believe you. I've been waiting for a year and a half.
Well I have no reason to believe your claim that God is a myth.


I wish atheists would just be honest and admit that you don't want evidence. Oh you say you do to look good, but deep down, it's far from the truth. Atheists hate God. It's evident in ugly nasty language that they use when talking to Christians or about the Bible and God. You can still make the same points without resorting to such offensive condescending language, but I see it over and over. Sky fairy for example. Atheists want to avoid God so of course they are going to instant reject any evidence that a Christian brings to the table. It is a waste of time to even try.


The evidence is out for those who truly have a heart for God.
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Old 06-18-2016, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Got any evidence there fella?
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Old 06-18-2016, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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Atheists want to avoid God so of course they are going to instant reject any evidence that a Christian brings to the table. It is a waste of time to even try.
Then please DO quit trying.
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