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Originally Posted by TheArchitect
You people are completely missing the important point. Whether or not it can be accurately claimed that the Bible commands the killing of nonbelievers like the Koran is inconsequential. Because prior to the enlightenment, kill and abuse nonbelievers is exactly what the christians did nonetheless. If you have a politically powerful clergy and an easily influenced, uneducated, sheeplike population, violence against those elements that the clerics deem a threat to their dominance is going to happened.
The actual, meaningful difference that exists between islam and christianity is that those from the historically christian nations live in societies where religion has been stripped of governmental power and is forced to exist in a secular governmental environment. And the sensibilities of the people in these regions is strongly influenced by secular rationalism and humanism (whether they are religious or not).
The historically islamic regions however have for the most part not yet undergone any such enlightenment secularization and as a result, the clerics remain too powerful and the people too backward.
The truly important difference btw the two cults and the current different values of their adherents is ultimately, the enlightenment, not doctrinal
I don't disagree with you that this is the results now, however, the teachings of the foundation documents of the Abrahamic religions is one that teaches violence. Horrible stuff.
And don't give us this "Out of context" nonsense, because it isn't. And don't even try and say, "Well, that's the OT", because you are perfectly comfortable quoting things like anti-gay or your 10 commandments from that. Yeah, we know all about that fulfillment stuff from your christ, but he also said he was not there to "change one tittle", so that is a non-argument also.
So, let's get into the nitty-gritty, shall we?
Deuteronomy 17
17:2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant;
17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;
17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel;
17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
So, with that Abrahamic script put down, is it any wonder Mo the prophet commanded infidels to be killed? I mean, look how that worked out for the jews and christians, right? Hey, it must be a good thing, so why not jump on that bandwagon.
Disgusting pieces of literature, both of them. Even more disgusting are those that take them at their word.
lol haha.
Well - if you REALLY want to learn and educate yourself from the Quranic point of view, then here it is.
Jesus didn't say marriage was between same sexes. He only promoted opposite sex unions. And there are plenty of verses in the NT that speak loud and clear against homosexuality.
Please quote me one where Jesus spoke against homosexuality. Not Paul, Jesus. FYI I am a Christian, not a Paulist.
Bananas and tomatoes difference. Their ideologies were not based on an invisible man in the sky. Why do apologists always try and deflect?
Deflect with the Truth. And yes, they killed millions with an ideology not based on "an invisible man in the sky". Yet you fail to understand my point.
I will restate so you can understand: atheists have killed millions of people in the last century in the name of their ideology. More people than the people who killed in the name of religion in the last 1000 years.
And don't give us this "Out of context" nonsense, because it isn't. And don't even try and say, "Well, that's the OT", because you are perfectly comfortable quoting things like anti-gay or your 10 commandments from that. Yeah, we know all about that fulfillment stuff from your christ, but he also said he was not there to "change one tittle", so that is a non-argument also.
So, let's get into the nitty-gritty, shall we?
Boy, that's a hard one. What's the difference? Hmmmmmm. Could it be that the Christians aren't going around the World acting on it, and the Muslims are?
When the JWs or another Group, form a Nation and start slaughtering thousands of people, chop off heads, burn folks alive, come back and ask us again.
If Quran stated to kill all infidels then you wouldn't have million upon millions of non-Muslims living in predominately Muslim countries. There wouldn't be any interfaith marriages between Muslims and "infidels".
There wouldn't be any Muslims in Vatican city or any other christian dominated country.
There wouldn't be any church bells ringing in a country like Pakistan.
here..
Muslim farmers build church for Christian neighbors
Muslim farmers in a village in near the city of Gojra in Pakistan's Punjab province are putting their savings together and helping build a church for the Christians in their neighbourhood.
So perhaps it's time to realize that there is world beyond what you can imagine. Open up to the possibility of learning and understanding, before attacking.
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Deflect with the Truth. And yes, they killed millions with an ideology not based on "an invisible man in the sky". Yet you fail to understand my point.
I will restate so you can understand: atheists have killed millions of people in the last century in the name of their ideology. More people than the people who killed in the name of religion in the last 1000 years.
Kettle, meet pot.
This is where you and other apologists are wrong. The travesties perpetuated by those dictators was not done in the name of atheism, it was done in the name of their own philosophies. Hitler was a Catholic, but his travesties was not done in the name of Christianity.
However, ISIS, the Crusades, the 100 Years War, the Irish Troubles, the issue in the Middle East are all done in the name of religion, not any other philosophy.
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