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1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
Normally, question is asked - who created god then? Or similar.
I am asking a different question.
WHERE was god BEFORE creation?
Clearly, from the above quote, god was.
God was before creation.
Hence, god, to exist, had to be in some sort of "space".
As ANYTHING that exists, even in a most miraculous form, has to exist IN something.
Something that exists in NOTHING does not exist.
Hence, there must have been some sort of space, appropriate for god, in its characteristics allowing god to exist IN it. A "godly" space, semantics really, but still - space.
Hence, that space was pre-god and god existed in it.
Or, from presumption of gods eternity and having no origin, then that space also has to be eternal and have no origin.
But then, there was two - space AND god in that space.
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
Normally, question is asked - who created god then? Or similar.
I am asking a different question.
WHERE was god BEFORE creation?
Clearly, from the above quote, god was.
God was before creation.
Hence, god, to exist, had to be in some sort of "space".
As ANYTHING that exists, even in a most miraculous form, has to exist IN something.
Something that exists in NOTHING does not exist.
Hence, there must have been some sort of space, appropriate for god, in its characteristics allowing god to exist IN it. A "godly" space, semantics really, but still - space.
Hence, that space was pre-god and god existed in it.
Or, from presumption of gods eternity and having no origin, then that space also has to be eternal and have no origin.
But then, there was two - space AND god in that space.
God has always existed, hence, nothing came before God. This is something our material minds can't comprehend, but there is way more to learn when we become spirits with a spiritual mind.
As you see above ukrkoz. All you will get from the theists on this is 'special pleading' and 'We just can't comprehend 'God', he is a fathomless enigma.' Of course, in the next breath they will be telling you that, although their god is an enigma that is beyond our comprehension, a timeless mystery that can't be understood... they are all having a 'personal relationship' with him.
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
Normally, question is asked - who created god then? Or similar.
I am asking a different question.
WHERE was god BEFORE creation?
Clearly, from the above quote, god was.
God was before creation.
Hence, god, to exist, had to be in some sort of "space".
As ANYTHING that exists, even in a most miraculous form, has to exist IN something.
Something that exists in NOTHING does not exist.
Hence, there must have been some sort of space, appropriate for god, in its characteristics allowing god to exist IN it. A "godly" space, semantics really, but still - space.
Hence, that space was pre-god and god existed in it.
Or, from presumption of gods eternity and having no origin, then that space also has to be eternal and have no origin.
But then, there was two - space AND god in that space.
You are assuming that there was something or nothing "BEFORE" God.
And when you assume this, you pretty much talk about an entity that does not meet the definition of God.
If there was something BEFORE God, like you said "space" then it means God was "created" which means it's not God anymore.
God, by nature and by definition is uncreated! Otherwise, it's not God.
God cannot create himself either. It's ridiculous! You cannot decide to create yourself when you don't exist.
God has no begining and no end, or else it's not God.
Here,
How does someone operating inside time and space have a personal relationship with someone operating outside time and space?
Vizio mis-wrote. He meant outside space-time when it suits him, but inside and/or outside when it suits him also.
Of course, to be "outside" of something you must also occupy/inhabit a space "outside", like the O.P. said, this could be a "godly" space, such as a heaven. The same applies to time, is a common philosophical understanding that existence requires a space-time of some sort.
There is a Buddhist parable about the Buddha educating a deluded and egotistical God (who also fancied himself the creator of everything except himself) that since it existed WITHIN a perfect heaven, it wasn't really the greatest thing of all, the heaven was. The egoistical God became jealous and claimed it created Heaven so it was better than it's creation merely by such a meaningless stipulation (the robots will laugh at us). But the Buddha pointed out that if it's creation of Heaven was perfect then there was something better than Him, since a perfect thing added to another perfect thing at leasts adds up to a "more perfect" thing. Mathematically, a "perfect" god plus (+) more perfects things (a perfect abode and perfect servants/worshipers) equals (=) a better, as a whole, than just a single (1) perfect god. The God become wrathful but it's confusion simply grew and it's ego diminished so it decided to find enlightenment and stop accidentally misleading it's naive and faithful followers.
Last edited by LuminousTruth; 12-24-2016 at 01:44 AM..
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