If Bible God was so offended by sin, then why take such a long time to send a "savior?" (atheist, Islam)

[scgraham]

Originally Posted by GoCardinals

What you need to show us is a passage from Torah that Moses ordered his followers that ignore my teaching and start believing in the son of God who is not here yet, because he is the only way to salvation.

We would then need the same references from Noah and Abraham.

God apparently isn't unfolding the doctrine of Salvation in a manner satisfactory to you, but that is your issue.

[Matthew 4:4]

Originally Posted by GoCardinals

So what we are saying here is that pre-Jesus era people needed to believe in God, and not necessarily Jesus, to be saved. (This also means that Jesus and God are two separate entities).
But once God send his son to shed his blood, it became mandatory upon all humans to seek salvation only thru Jesus. And there is no other way?

Before Jesus came God only dealt with one nation: Only the ancient nation of ancient Israel.
That did Not mean people of other nations could not be saved. Jesus' ransom covers MANY according to Matthew 20:28.
Their salvation ( rescue/ delivery ) is: future.
Please notice John 3:13 because No one had ascended before Jesus, including King David - Acts 2:34
The price tag that sin pays is: death according to Romans 6:7,23.
So, by their death the people who died before Jesus' died paid the price for their sins.
Romans 6:7 mentions the one who died is freed or acquitted from sins.
That does Not make a person as now being innocent, but as a governor can pardon a person so the crime charges do Not stick, Jesus can pardon a person so the sin charges do Not stick.
So, except for those committing the unforgivable sin there is the resurrection hope - Matthew 12:32; Hebrews 6:4-6.
For the majority of mankind that resurrection hope is future.
That includes the faithful of Hebrews 11:13, 39.
That is also why Acts 24:15 uses the ' future tense ' that there ' is going to be' a resurrection..........
The majority of mankind will have a happy-and-healthy future physical resurrection during Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth. As Jesus' promised the humble meek will inherit the 'Earth' - Matthew 5:5

As for we who are still alive on Earth at the soon coming ' time of separation ' to take place on Earth - Matthew 25:31-33,37 - we can remain alive on Earth, and continue to live on Earth, right into the start of calendar Day One of Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over Earth. The best is yet to come - Revelation 22:2

[Matthew 4:4]

Originally Posted by GldnRule

Well...the Pedigree Abrahamics would tell you that when you get to Hell, ask Satan, he probably knows.
This is just more Christian bashing by the biased and hateful that can't stand the fact that Abrahamic Religious concepts dominate this world.

Is it so much Abrahamic or Christendom ( so-called Christian but mostly in name only ) concepts that dominate.

For example: how could anyone ask Satan anything since Satan was never in biblical hell and never will be.
It was Not Satan who was in hell, but the day righteous Jesus died Jesus went to hell according to Acts 2:27; Psalm 16:10.
Satan ends up in ' second death ' according to Revelation 21:8
Jesus will 'destroy Satan' according to Hebrews 2:14 B
So, ' second death ' is a fitting term for: destruction. ALL the wicked will be destroyed forever - Psalm 92:7
All living on Earth have the same choice to either ' repent ' or ' perish' ( be destroyed ) according to 2nd Peter 3:9

[mstnghu2]

Originally Posted by jimmiej

If Jesus had shown up 20 minutes after Adam and Eve sinned, we never would have understood the depth and breadth of our sinfulness.

https://redeeminggod.com/why-did-god...to-send-jesus/

And this all happened because they ate a piece of fruit they had been told not to eat? Imagine if parents viewed their kids' misbehavior the way the old testament says God views peoples' misbehavior.

[GoCardinals]

Originally Posted by jimmiej

Jesus was merely God in flesh. They are one entity.

If God encapsulated himself into Jesus then who is the son of God? Is God calling himself as his own son?

And then if God encapsulated himself into flesh then who did Jesus pray to? God doesn't pray or worship anyone.

If God encapsulated himself into Jesus then why did Jesus answered "I don't know, only God knows", when he was asked when will the last hour be?

For Jesus to be God, he MUST have to know when will the last hour arrive.

[GldnRule]

Originally Posted by Matthew 4:4

Is it so much Abrahamic or Christendom ( so-called Christian but mostly in name only ) concepts that dominate.

For example: how could anyone ask Satan anything since Satan was never in biblical hell and never will be.
It was Not Satan who was in hell, but the day righteous Jesus died Jesus went to hell according to Acts 2:27; Psalm 16:10.
Satan ends up in ' second death ' according to Revelation 21:8
Jesus will 'destroy Satan' according to Hebrews 2:14 B
So, ' second death ' is a fitting term for: destruction. ALL the wicked will be destroyed forever - Psalm 92:7
All living on Earth have the same choice to either ' repent ' or ' perish' ( be destroyed ) according to 2nd Peter 3:9

Ah, yes....more literal assessments of metaphorical/allegorical writings.
In case you didn’t know....Hell really does exist as the "burning torture forever" place...and Satan bought it from God back in 666AD.
I have this info, because being an evil dude that enriches himself by working lust against greed....Satan and I are good buddies since he likes quality Hades Human Resource people like me.
Also...don't listen to what that guy Simon Peter said...he isn't trustworthy. He told me on three different occasions when he was hangin out with me and Satan, that he didn't know anything about that stuff.

[Timray]

Originally Posted by GldnRule

Ah, yes....more literal assessments of metaphorical/allegorical writings.
In case you didn’t know....Hell really does exist as the "burning torture forever" place...and Satan bought it from God back in 666AD.
I have this info, because being an evil dude that enriches himself by working lust against greed....Satan and I are good buddies since he likes quality Hades Human Resource people like me.
Also...don't listen to what that guy Simon Peter said...he isn't trustworthy. He told me on three different occasions when he was hangin out with me and Satan, that he didn't know anything about that stuff.

The above surely qualifies as....harmless humor.

Satan knows "quality".....when he sees it!!

[MysticPhD]

Originally Posted by jimmiej

Jesus was merely God in flesh. They are one entity.

Jesus was God's Holy Spirit in His human body bringing God to human consciousness. Their oneness is in Spirit.

[MysticPhD]

A seed of the Spirit of God was breathed into Adam, a primitive primate, making him a living soul. It would take evolution a long time to evolve the capabilities that Spirit would need to learn to control its primate body. The OT chronicles the long schoolmaster stage of training us to control our baser urges out of fear of God - the beginning of wisdom. By the time of Christ, we had evolved the necessary control - the fields were ripe for the harvest. Jesus came to teach us to control our urges out of agape love, NOT fear of God.

[GoCardinals]

Originally Posted by MysticPhD

Jesus was God's Holy Spirit in His human body bringing God to human consciousness. Their oneness is in Spirit.

So Jesus is not the son of God?