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How do you know that? I'd love to see some survey or study results to confirm that.
Since you asked nicely, I've provided a study. The Pew Research Center, the gold standard of social research, tells us that 78% of non-religious people in America were raised as a member of a religion:
I believe it's certainly possible that many atheists were raised in a religious environment--but there is no way of knowing that it got past attending a religious service once a year, or their parents simply claiming to be of a certain religion. In my experience, most atheists I've spoken to are in rebellion against religion in general, and are anything but open-minded. They have a bone to pick, and they hate religion. At least that's the "internet variety" of atheists.
The education system raises us as Christians even if our parents don't. And if regularly attending a religious service is what your measure of what makes a true Christian, then the number of actual Christians is significantly lower than previously thought.
Most Christians I speak to on the Internet are militant extremists, like the ones I see in this forum. But unlike you I don't draw conclusions about most Christians based upon that. Moderate Christians, just like moderate atheists, generally keep their beliefs to themselves.
As for the entire tolerance argument. Atheists (41) are just a single point ahead of Muslims (40) when it comes to the most disliked religious classification in America, with 51% of Americans claiming that they would be less likely to vote for an atheist. Where's the vast majority of atheists don't even discuss the issue of religion in a typical day.
You don't see the difference? I work from the text and show how it fatally contradicts itself and destroys its' own credibility.
Mystic has it all radioed to him by God. Debate is beside the point. Anyone disagreeing is just WRONG, You really didn't see a difference?
Also, I am always waiting to be proved wrong. Mystic KNOWS he is right on Faith. And since practically everyone else seems to disagree with him, he is the only one receiving God loud an clear. You really don't see a difference?
I suppose niot, because seeing anything that contradicts your particular theory is to be dismissed as lies atheists tell. You may not be a theist...yet..but your Think is.
lmao. repeat what i say back to me ... lmao
yeah. fundamentalist-think atheists.
you avoid, change, ignore, and minimize to fit a belief statement. I guess your not as bad as that runway mordofarant. but its still run of mill milli-think.
There is a difference between "being open minded," and having reached a firm conclusion. Atheists and agnostics tend to be considerably more knowledgeable about Christianity than the majority of individuals who consider themselves to be Christians are. Perhaps the fact that many atheists and agnostics have a better handle on what the Bible actually says, and most Christians actually only know what they think they believe rather than what Bible says, serves to explain why non believers find Christian claims and assumptions to be unrealistic and implausible.
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Survey: Atheists, Agnostics Know More About Religion Than Religious
September 28, 2010 2:50 PM ET
The Pew Forum on Religious Religion and Public Life released a survey on religious knowledge today. Atheists and Agnostics scored higher on it than anyone else, closely followed by Jews and Mormons. All Christians, Protestants and Catholics, were far behind.
Why are Atheists and Agnostics better informed? The Los Angeles Times quotes one of the researchers who has a theory:
"American atheists and agnostics tend to be people who grew up in a religious tradition and consciously gave it up, often after a great deal of reflection and study," said Alan Cooperman, associate director for research at the Pew Forum.
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Non religious people are not "closed minded." Having given religion considerable thought, they tend to have rejected religion with cause and have moved beyond religious claims to other intellectual pursuits.
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You don't see the difference? I work from the text and show how it fatally contradicts itself and destroys its' own credibility.
Mystic has it all radioed to him by God. Debate is beside the point. Anyone disagreeing is just WRONG, You really didn't see a difference?
Also, I am always waiting to be proved wrong. Mystic KNOWS he is right on Faith. And since practically everyone else seems to disagree with him, he is the only one receiving God loud an clear. You really don't see a difference? When you see Mystic...you have seen the father.
I don't know what it is that causes you to get things so wrong, Arq, but it is prevalent. When you see the Father in Jesus . . . you have seen the Father Mystic has encountered.
I don't know what it is that causes you to get things so wrong, Arq, but it is prevalent. When you see the Father in Jesus . . . you have seen the Father Mystic has encountered.
I have seen the Grandfather. And Jesus' grandchild is yet to come. ...Is what your statements sound like to any person not desperate to believe in such anthropomorphic visions.
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Can you show me a single verse in the Bible that commands Christians to kill anyone?
Just one. I'll be waiting.
Then why do you kill so much?
Do you have two masters? One that orders Christians to kill and one that does not?
Why then the armies?
Why then the wars?
Why then the hate crimes and so much more?
Do you remember any stories from the bible where Jesus compares himself (in a good light) to a Fat Cat Trust-Fund Kid that gets an inheritance of a kingdom and wants high interest back from his "non-loan" loans? Then he says to his servants, kill my enemies before me.
Does a Bibliolater just gloss over that? It's in the jesus-gospel story titled Luke by largely arbitrary Catholic/Protestant Church tradition.
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"The results, in line with our rationale in the introduction, seem to question, to some extent, the global idea that rigidity and inflexibility characterize only religious believers but not nonbelievers. The results further suggest that, at least in secularized Western countries, where unbelief has progressively become normative, nonbelievers may be less socialized and less motivated to imagine, understand, and appreciate others’ perspectives."
what perspectives were these atheists supposed to imagine, understand, and appreciate? and how was that measured?
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In 3 secular countries, we compared nonbelievers to Christians on aspects of rigidity.
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Non-believers were lower in self-reported dogmatism, i.e. certainty in beliefs.
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But were higher in subtly measured intolerance of contradiction and myside bias
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Results were similar for atheists and agnostics and across the three countries.
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Religious believers seem to better perceive and integrate diverging perspectives
Integrate diverging perspectives? sounds like code-word for "sheer hypocrisy."
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"Are nonreligious people open-minded, flexible, and undogmatic? Previous research has investigated the links between religiosity, or specific forms of it, and social cognitive tendencies reflecting various aspects of closed-mindedness. The results regarding religious fundamentalism are clear and consistent (Rowatt, Shen, LaBouff, & Gonzalez, 2013). However, even common religiosity, that is being high vs. low on common religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices, often reflects closed-minded ways of thinking to some extent. Indeed, religiosity is, to a modest degree, characterized by dogmatism, defined as an inflexibility of ideas, unjustified certainty or denial of evidence contrary to one's own beliefs ( Moore and Leach, 2016 ; Vonk and Pitzen, 2016), the need for closure, i.e. the need for structure, order, and answers ( Saroglou, 2002), and, in terms of broader personality traits, low openness to experience, in particular low openness to values ( Saroglou, 2010). Experimental work provides some causal evidence, that religious beliefs increase when people are confronted with disorder, ambiguity, uncertainty, a lack of control, or a threat to self-esteem (Sedikides & Gebauer, 2014)."
Still, the growing conservative/tribalist trend in mere atheism (which is as vague as theism by itself) must be thoroughly cleaned up.
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I don't know what it is that causes you to get things so wrong, Arq, but it is prevalent. When you see the Father in Jesus . . . you have seen the Father Mystic has encountered.
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I have seen the Grandfather. And Jesus' grandchild is yet to come. ...Is what your statements sound like to any person not desperate to believe in such anthropomorphic visions.
I was responding to Arq's statement: "When you see Mystic...you have seen the Father." It was meant to correct what he meant as a sarcastic statement about my certainty about God.
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