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Old 08-01-2017, 05:09 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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So were the Canaanites exterminated? Apparently not.



https://www.livescience.com/59967-ca...-lebanese.html
There's a lot more known about the Canaanites than there used to be. The Armarna letters are diplomatic correspondence between the Pharoah Akhenaten and the Subject Canaanite city states on Cuneiform tablets (Akkadian cuneiform was the Lingua Franca of the time) before the 11th c BC collapse.

And, since we can now see the Hyksos were a Canaanite dynasty or two in the Egyptian delta, they seem a lot more important than just a few tribes that were there mainly so the Israelites to swipe their lands from them.
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Old 08-01-2017, 06:42 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Uh...Heaven and earth are still here...
True that. And the "least strokes of the pen" concerning the sacrifices are still there, just meaningless. What's up with that?


What DOES "fulfilled" mean? How are the rest of the Laws "fulfilled" in the two "greatest" Commandments?


What the heck?
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Old 08-01-2017, 09:12 AM
 
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Well, the more obvious gorilla in the room is why would a god instruct one race to wipe out another? Strange how the religious just ignore these questions.
Why? Because God promised that land to the Jews. He gave it to Abraham 400 years earlier. It didn't belong to the Canaanites. It belonged to the Jews, and they were supposed to take what was theirs.

Then, of course, there's the idea that God was judging the Canaanites for their sinful ways.
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Old 08-01-2017, 09:14 AM
 
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However, in verse 18, the purpose is revealed:

18 So that they should not teach you to act according to all their abominations that they have done for their gods, whereby you would sin against the Lord, your God.


As being one of the 613 Mitzvots, it is not literal...
Of course it was literal. It's why Joshua led the Israelites into the Promised land and waged war.

I feel sorry for you if you have relegated the religion of your father to being just a bunch of fairy tales. That must be such a sad way to think of your heritage.
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Old 08-01-2017, 09:16 AM
 
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"wiped them out" contradicts with "took them into exile" (which is to say "forced citizenship and migration" onto them, rather than genocide, as terms of peace-agreements after winning the war). Again, let me stress this: Those "evil" Babylonians spared their lifes and were heftily repaid for their "good deeds" to such Religionists.

"Always sinning" and yet "blessed" and "cursed" when ever it is convent to call it one way or the other. How like any other non-existing-deity followers.
Israel was conquered. For all practical purposes, Israel did not exist for 70 years while they were in exile in Babylon. There was, of course, a remnant of people that were always in the area, and some did come back from exile with Nehemiah and Ezra, but the nation was gone. They were never again what they were when David lead them.
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Old 08-01-2017, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Why? Because God promised that land to the Jews. He gave it to Abraham 400 years earlier. It didn't belong to the Canaanites. It belonged to the Jews, and they were supposed to take what was theirs.

Then, of course, there's the idea that God was judging the Canaanites for their sinful ways.
"God" promised, therefore annihilate.

Amazing that adult human beings alive today believe that kind of tripe.
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Old 08-01-2017, 09:28 AM
 
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Why? Because God promised that land to the Jews. He gave it to Abraham 400 years earlier. It didn't belong to the Canaanites. It belonged to the Jews, and they were supposed to take what was theirs.

Then, of course, there's the idea that God was judging the Canaanites for their sinful ways.
I suppose it would do no good to explain that many will find such an apologetic absolutely disgusting. You will be aware that many invader have used the pretext that it was God's will to justify swiping the land of another people?

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Israel was conquered. For all practical purposes, Israel did not exist for 70 years while they were in exile in Babylon. There was, of course, a remnant of people that were always in the area, and some did come back from exile with Nehemiah and Ezra, but the nation was gone. They were never again what they were when David lead them.
Actually, they were. The Maccbean revolt was the Vietnam of the Jews - except they won. The got their freedom and conquered and converted their old enemy Edom. They were bigger than at any time in their history, unless you believe the far -fetched tales about Solomon, and of course they conquered lands more extensive than that in living memory. So that's not bad going for a vanished nation.
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Old 08-01-2017, 09:37 AM
 
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I suppose it would do no good to explain that many will find such an apologetic absolutely disgusting. You will be aware that many invader have used the pretext that it was God's will to justify swiping the land of another people?
Many have used that, yes. Many have also used the apologetic that religion is bad to kill millions. Bad people will use whatever they can to manipulate people. Neither one of those ideas are good, nor are they the root cause of any suffering.
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Actually, they were. The Maccbean revolt was the Vietnam of the Jews - except they won. The got their freedom and conquered and converted their old enemy Edom. They were bigger than at any time in their history, unless you believe the far -fetched tales about Solomon, and of course they conquered lands more extensive than that in living memory. So that's not bad going for a vanished nation.
Yes--they were a soveriegn nation for a time until they were conquered again. But they were a shadow of what they once were, as you pointed out, under Solomon.
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Old 08-01-2017, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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Why? Because God promised that land to the Jews. He gave it to Abraham 400 years earlier. It didn't belong to the Canaanites. It belonged to the Jews, and they were supposed to take what was theirs.

Then, of course, there's the idea that God was judging the Canaanites for their sinful ways.
Actually, your made up Jewish god was used to justify Jews genocide on other races. It makes far sense that the Jews wrote their own holy book that favored themselves and justified their horrific acts on other humans.
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Old 08-01-2017, 10:20 AM
 
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Actually, your made up Jewish god was used to justify Jews genocide on other races....
Do you think that you're going to make us suddenly forget our positions and just bow down to you and say "wow....you're right!" when you are so rude and disrespectful like that? Do you think that helps your position and endears others to you?

I mean...really? Isn't this a discussion forum? Aren't we supposed to have an actual discussion instead of just spewing hate and offensive statements?
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