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Actually, my OP consisted from video link AND second post asking to discuss this by representatives of the involved religions, but I'm easy. It's interesting topic, worth reposting.
So here I am with discussion part of it.
According to this professor, claim is that Jesus, Solomon and other prominent Abrahamic religions characters were Muslim.
This is not aligned with the official "date" of Islam revelation, circa mid 7th century CE.
Is there any merit to this claim? Or, it is simply misunderstood and means something else.
Will be most educational to have civil and intelligent discussion of this topic by Muslims, Christians and Judaism followers ( can't say Judaists, right?)
Thank you.
Civil and intelligent, please.
It is my understanding, that this based on simple play of words. Islam is surrender, Muslim is one who surrenders to god. In that etymology, ANYONE who surrenders to god is a Muslim. Moses included, as example.
He isn't actually espousing this position. He is describing the Islamization of history, explaining what a Muslim would say. He is clear saying that this is how followers of Islam see the world -- what he says is about:
"The attitude of Islam to history...that all history is, in fact an Islamic history."
So again, this is not his opinion. He is telling of a Muslim attitude.
He isn't actually espousing this position. He is describing the Islamization of history, explaining what a Muslim would say. He is clear saying that this is how followers of Islam see the world -- what he says is about:
"The attitude of Islam to history...that all history is, in fact an Islamic history."
So again, this is not his opinion. He is telling of a Muslim attitude.
Nonsense like this is why so many do not consider many universities as educational centers. This man is very misinformed, and isn't being stopped by his university. It is very unfortunate.
Such as? I'd love some juicy details. I'd venture to guess that the levels of false information presented as facts have remained steady with population growth (and/or levels of biased tribalists) and the only growing trend is the recognition of this fact but only applied to the modern/current era, rather than to the obvious excess of lies as well in the past.
It sounds a bit like the 'atheism is a religion' fallacy. You have to broaded the term to include so much that it becomes almost meaningless.
So "Submission" to any religion is the same 'Submission" whatever name (or religion) one uses, though "Islam" means "Submission" in Arabic, of course.
No, to a Muslim... their Moses, Jesus, and Abraham submitted the right way, but inspired a bunch of "better than polytheists" that now submit the wrong way. They themselves had "true religions" but Jews and Christians have false religions but their saving grace is that they are monotheist/Abrahamist too.
Nonsense like this is why so many do not consider many universities as educational centers. This man is very misinformed, and isn't being stopped by his university. It is very unfortunate.
Unless this "Jewish" professor, is himself a Muslim, he would never believe what he is probably merely explaining (from the hypothetical Muslim point of view) as he knows it, having observed/researched it.
No, to a Muslim... their Moses, Jesus, and Abraham submitted the right way, but inspired a bunch of "better than polytheists" that now submit the wrong way. They themselves had "true religions" but Jews and Christians have false religions but their saving grace is that they are monotheist/Abrahamist too.
Well, of course, the people of the book all agree their religion is the same, but that their way of worship is more right than the others.
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Originally Posted by LuminousTruth
Unless this "Jewish" professor, is himself a Muslim, he would never believe what he is probably merely explaining (from the hypothetical Muslim point of view) as he knows it, having observed/researched it.
That's how I'd see it - if he isn't a Muslim. As a Jew he would see Christianity as the same 'Love God" idea of Judaism, but gone wrong, just as he would see "Obeying God's commands" as the same as Muslim "Submission" but Islam has gone wrong.
Well, of course, the people of the book all agree their religion is the same, but that their way of worship ismore right than the others.
That's how I'd see it - if he isn't a Muslim. As a Jew he would see Christianity as the same 'Love God" idea of Judaism, but gone wrong, just as he would see "Obeying God's commands" as the same as Muslim "Submission" but Islam has gone wrong.
no that is not correct
Judaism recognizes there are many paths to God.
Judaism is only the path for a Jew. It does not seek converts, nor does it proselytize. Rather it discourages converts.
So as a Jew he recognizes there are many paths to God.
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