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Old 09-22-2017, 07:30 AM
 
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Calvinism...
That's what the bible teaches, so....

But Calvin and I do disagree on a lot of issues. We do agree on the issue of salvation.
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Old 09-22-2017, 07:32 AM
 
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And according to G-d, that is not permissible..No one may die for another's sin...
No man can. But Jesus is God. He is perfect, sinless. He lived a sinless life in obedience to the Law, and he gave up his life, the atonement for our sin.
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Old 09-22-2017, 07:34 AM
 
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But the evidence is rather that this sentiment might apply to Paul, who was only critical of the Jewish Law, that Jews did not live up to it (evidently what bothered him was that he didn't) and in the end those Jews who opposed his work (which I am inclined to think were Jesus own followers - Observing Jews themselves, though that is just my view) and it was the Gospel -writers themselves who heard that as 'The Jews are bad (because as Greeks, they already believed that) and they made sure that's what the gospels said.

Sure, the disciples were ok - Jews that has become converts were fine, just as Christians who become Muslims can end up honoured as Spokespersons and Imams. But the rest are dogs deserving of death.

That's how Christianity regarded the Jews, and the history of Europe is solid with anti -semitism from the medieval massacres to the pogroms in Russia.

100 years ago (and the Origin of Species had just been published is no more than a coincidence ) their position began to improve a bit. In the last fifty years, a lot.
Pretty offensive, dude. I work for Muslims. They are some of the finest people of good character I have ever known, people who conduct their lives and business with fairness and generosity because that's what their faith tells them. They pay me quite well, and so I don't think they view me as a dog deserving of death. Nor my former colleague, who is a good friend of the company owner and a Jew.

Just had to call you put on that, because that's what I do as part of my 9/11 legacy.
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Old 09-22-2017, 08:35 AM
 
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It was what the Rabbi said...Reform are very lax in observance.
Says the Jew posting on the High Holy Days...
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Old 09-22-2017, 08:38 AM
 
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I'm unsure if that was just a light-hearted joke or if you thought I was actually saying Paul defined chapters.

No--of course he didn't divide it into chapters, but he did write it as one big thought, beginning to end, and there is a solid line of rhetoric throughout the book.
The way it was worded, it sounded as if you thought Paul set it up with one chapter building upon another, as might a modern book be structured.
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Old 09-22-2017, 09:27 AM
 
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The way it was worded, it sounded as if you thought Paul set it up with one chapter building upon another, as might a modern book be structured.
Yes--that's what he did. No, he did not divide it into chapters...but he had one long, coherent thought that he wrote. It's thought out and logical. The points that he makes in chapters 1-3 are then built upon in 4-6. It begins with verse 1 and goes all through the book. He wrote it as a single letter.
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Old 09-22-2017, 10:26 AM
 
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From what I read he claims that Rabbinic Judaism is not real Judaism...I disagree...
From what I read he is saying that Rabbinic Judaism is different from the religion practiced before the diaspora, and since much of that centered around the Temple and the system of sacrifice, I doubt that you could claim that it is the same.
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Old 09-22-2017, 10:31 AM
 
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That's what the bible teaches, so....

But Calvin and I do disagree on a lot of issues. We do agree on the issue of salvation.
It is an interpretation of what the letter of the Bible teaches that wholly leaves out the guidance of the Spirit. It is the most nefarious system of belief that ever disgused itself as "Christianity."
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Old 09-22-2017, 10:37 AM
 
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It is an interpretation of what the letter of the Bible teaches that wholly leaves out the guidance of the Spirit. It is the most nefarious system of belief that ever disgused itself as "Christianity."
What's that? You think I'm the bestest theologian in the world and that you want to learn from me? I mean...that's what I THINK you said....
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Old 09-22-2017, 11:08 AM
 
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What's that? You think I'm the bestest theologian in the world and that you want to learn from me? I mean...that's what I THINK you said....


Somebody else used to use a similar, nonsensical, evasive response when caught with his theological pants down.

Now who was it...?
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