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Old 09-20-2017, 05:31 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Simple. Just as I have more than 1 attribute, God does, as well. And no--God being just does not mean he's not loving.
Precisely, or as Paul put it: 4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

8Love never fails.

The love continues and punishment without possibility of change is NOT love.
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Old 09-20-2017, 05:52 PM
 
Location: Elsewhere
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To suggest it's anti-semitic, one must assign motive to the writers. That isn't justified by the writing. The Gospels record the events, and I'm not sure there is any editorializing to assign motive or blame where it doesn't lie. The Gospels do not paint all Jews as bad, only the specific leaders. It is no more anti-semitic than a movie about slavery says all white people are racist.
I think it's clear there is, in some cases moreso than others.

In the end, intent might not matter as much as the fact that the hearers took the "Jews are bad, the gospels say so" idea and ran with it to the point of horror.
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Old 09-20-2017, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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I'm accepted and loved by God because I'm righteous in his eyes because I have the righteousness of Christ.

God cannot condone sin, so I want to know why you believe, that if you're less than perfect, that God would accept you?
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Old 09-20-2017, 06:33 PM
 
Location: USA
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I'm accepted and loved by God because I'm righteous in his eyes because I have the righteousness of Christ.

God cannot condone sin, so I want to know why you believe, that if you're less than perfect, that God would accept you?
So you are equating "accept" with "love", and believe that God is incapable of loving someone/thing that is not perfect?

Can you lead me through the thought process that has led you to that conclusion?

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Old 09-20-2017, 08:14 PM
 
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I'm accepted and loved by God because I'm righteous in his eyes because I have the righteousness of Christ.

God cannot condone sin, so I want to know why you believe, that if you're less than perfect, that God would accept you?
This is precisely the attitude that causes relgions to war with each other -- and individual denominations within the same religion to war with each other.

This attitude is the reason why Europe saw 500 years of Catholics fighting Protestants and why the Muslims are experiencing the Shi'a vs. Sunni war -- as well as Islam vs. Christianity and Judaism.

It is why I have said a thousand times that religion is the most divisive and abrasive cultural trait of any civilization.

It's just too bad that, even after 4,000 years of near perpetual bloodshed due to these ridiculous superstitious differences in belief we still have people in the era of nuclear weapons who would say what you just did.

Congratulations! I love it when my opponents score points for my team without even realizing it.
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Old 09-20-2017, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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I'm accepted and loved by God because I'm righteous in his eyes because I have the righteousness of Christ.

God cannot condone sin, so I want to know why you believe, that if you're less than perfect, that God would accept you?
Because God can understand sin and work with us to help us find a better way to fulfill our needs.
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Old 09-20-2017, 10:11 PM
 
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And I think you have the righteousness of the pharisees.
That's mean...
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Old 09-20-2017, 10:13 PM
 
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The Pharisees actually were pretty righteous as people go. They have a very bad rap over the centuries, in my view, mainly because of the deliberate Christian smear -campaign in the Gospels.

Jesus was (I would bet good money) a devout Pharisee himself.
He also told folks to do what the Pharisee told them to do...
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Old 09-20-2017, 10:19 PM
 
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And as good at following the Law as they were, their righteousness was not enough. Ponder that one.
Who said?...
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Old 09-20-2017, 10:20 PM
 
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I was Christian, did research and went to Judaism so i guess i passed the test!
Mazel Tov!...
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