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Originally Posted by bulmabriefs144
A rise in abortions for one. Globalist nonsense and Political Correctness-ism. A fall in real science ( see my thoughts here) and a rise in either blatantly cruel and unethical experiments (Harry Harlow's experiments in isolating monkeys for interminable amounts of time and/or torturing them is a good example, this from a guy who changed his name because "it sounded to Jewish") or completely flaky useless studies (trying to prop up feminism or some other -ism, studying something people already know, or yet more tiresome "proofs that there is no God"). |
Oh please. I'm really sick and tired of people like you making utterly false correlations. You can sit there all day talking about how atheism is the cause for cruel scientific experiments or drives an increase in abortions, but until you actually explain precisely HOW atheism has anything to do with it, you're just talking out of your ass.
You people do this ... ALL ... THE ... TIME.
You take a bad thing and then simply mention atheism along with it and then think you've just proven that, why, yes, atheism is the reason for a rise in abortions!
Do you understand, AT ALL, that you're describing what liberalism has done -- NOT ATHEISM, as not all atheists are liberals and not all liberals are atheists. You don't have a case. At all.
So, for your debate skills grade for the day, I award you an F-. Please take this home to your parents and have them sign it.
Meanwhile, learn what the word "correlation" and "causation" mean and then maybe you'll figure out (FINALLY) why your attempts to link atheism with everything you think is bad is an epic fail on the level of New Coke and the Ford Edsel.
In addition, Political Correctness wasn't a bad thing initially -- unfortunately it took on a life of its own and went haywire. That happens sometimes in the same way that candy is really yummy, but too much of it will make you sick. It's not that being PC is a bad thing -- we SHOULD learn to speak to one another with more respect. It's really too bad that damn near everyone jumped on the bandwagon and started whining about being offended. Not ALL liberal policies are good ones nor do all good liberal ideas turn out well when put into practice.
But that has NOTHING TO DO WITH ATHEISM! Please, show me where political correctness is written in the Atheist Gospels. I'll wait right here until you can show me -- though I'll be a skeleton with cobwebs in my ribs before you can ... or will.
As for abortions ... so what. I'm not going to start an abortion debate here. But I'm pro-choice. I consider nearly all anti-abortionists "pro-birth" and not necessarily pro-life. Because your goal is to see that every baby is born regardless of the circumstances -- and you don't give a flying rat's ass AT ALL about the quality of life. If your quality of life is essentially ZERO, then you're barely a human being anymore. You're just a meat sack with a pulse beat.
I'm just tired of how American society pays little regard to quality of life -- and only seems to care that you have a heart beat, a couple of firing neurons, and functioning lungs. Other than that, who gives a fug, right? Yeah.
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What happens when you believe people don't have an afterlife? And no moral authority to answer to? It means that if you don't like someone you can end them by killing them off.
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You know what, bulmabriefs ... this is one of those times I wish I were back in the jungles of unmoderated forums ... because, damn, there are quite a number of things I'd love to say to you right now that would get me banned and my post deleted.
How DARE you say something so stupid and untrue? Please, by all means, show me the horrible hordes of atheists and secularists out there "ending" people left and right just because we don't like them. Go on, show me. There should be accounts of these killings all over the internet. It should be an easy task, right?
Oh, but wait ... you can't show me, can you, because they DON'T EXIST! Yeah, that's right. Even though we don't believe in an afterlife or think there's a god breathing down our necks to ensure our good behavior, it's not atheists who are out there doing most of the killing. In fact, atheists are UNDER-represented in the prison population.
I don't know what anti-atheist propaganda bullshyte you've been absorbing, but you need to knock it off with these false accusations that atheists are blatantly immoral people, essentially calling us all murderers, simply because we don't get our marching orders from a god.
And let me explain something ELSE to you, since you decided to say something so unforgettably ignorant (and trust me, I won't forget) -- if the only thing keeping you moral is the fear of your "moral authority" and your selfish desire to obtain paradise, then you're not really moral.
It means that you're just following orders. How fortunate it is, then, that RIGHT NOW, at least, your religion is non-violent. It wasn't always so. And I'm betting that Christian violence will inevitably return since history too often tends to repeat itself.
At that point, you'd bash a baby's head in with a brick if you thought that's what your "moral authority" wanted you to do. You're not exercising your will to be a moral person. Nor are you using empathy to manifest those morals.
No ... all you're doing is following orders that just so HAPPEN to be in line with non-violence. Also, if your "moral authority" managed to convince you that killing certain people -- gays, perhaps -- is the only way to obtain an afterlife, you'd be right there at the nearest gay bar shooting everyone there ... wouldn't you.
WOULDN'T you.
Because according to YOUR logic, morality is not based on empathy. It's not based on not wishing to do harm to others because we know how horrifying being a victim actually is. No, it's based on merely doing as your told.
Do you have even the FAINTEST idea of just how sick that is?
It just proves beyond all shadow that religion rots the brain; it's no more moral than all the Nazis who used the Nuremberg Defense to justify their actions during the Holocaust: "I was just following orders."
Strange, too, isn't it ... that damn near every last one of those guys were Christian. No, they weren't atheists. They were Christian. Apparently your so-called "moral authority" can be interpreted in a thousand different ways.
I just hope you never again come to this forum and accuse atheists of believing we can just "end" people we don't like -- simply because we don't have a god handing us our orders to be moral. Fortunately, our morality comes from a deeper and higher place than yours, and it's actually BASED on something that matters rather than basing it on trying to please a pissy god or the selfish desire to enter paradise.
Damn, man ... welcome to my little black book, bulmabriefs. And trust me, it's not the same black book where I keep the numbers of people I date.
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For most religions, this is not considered a viable option: Hinduism, not only will they come back but you'll be worse off than them for killing them; Judaism and Christianity, generally an afterlife, and killing others is seen as wrong; Shintoism, all life is part of the divine; and so on. Do these NEVER get involved in war? No, they definitely do. But far more likely are wars for land or wealth or the rulership of a country.
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This is one of the dumbest, most historically ignorant paragraphs I've yet to read on this forum.
It never ceases to amaze me just HOW ignorant people are of world history. Yet just when I think I've finally seen the bottom the barrel, someone manages to crawl underneath the barrel to lower the bar.
Oh, I will be the first to admit that Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism, and the other far eastern religions are generally non-violent. But, you know what, Mr. Know-It-All? I actually lost one of my best childhood friends to your so-called "non-violent" religions when she and I were both 6 years old. She and her mother were shopping when Hindus and Muslims opened fire on each other; both mother and daughter were killed in the crossfire.
So please ... stop pretending as if you know everything that happens in the world.
But yes, the Far Eastern religions are much more peaceful. Why? Because they don't have gods to please. Nor do they have mandates to conquer the world -- unlike Christianity and Islam.
3/4th's of the world's population are either Christian or Muslim -- so who really gives a damn if the 1.5 billion who subscribe to peaceful religions are truly peaceful or not.
And to sit there and say that, "Well, duh, gee whiz, Christians think killing is wrong so they're peaceful" is ridiculous considering America is the most "Christian" nation on the planet yet we're the only nation that has been perpetually AT WAR since 2003. And don't let anyone fool you into thinking this doesn't have to do with religion because it does.
Even ISIS said that the number one reason why they continue to kill Westerners is because we're not Muslim. No, bulmabriefs -- terrorists aren't out to obtain wealth, land, or rulership. It's to spread their fundamentalist Islamic religion. They said so themselves.
And another thing -- you're only looking at modern wars. Yes, since roughly WWI, most wars have been fought to conquer another country.
But for the 5,500 years BEFORE then, damn near every war was fought because the two sides had irreconcilable religious differences.
Do you know a bloody thing about European history, bulmabriefs? Most of the wars fought in Europe had to do with Protestants or Catholics trying to put a member of their own religion on the throne. Oh no, the king is a Catholic, let's get 'im! By god, we can't have a Protestant on the throne ... to arms!
There wouldn't even have been a REASON to go to war in Europe if not for religious schisms. Oh sure, when you go to war, that's what you do -- you take over the enemy's land, conquer their cities, and loot their coffers. Duh! But in NO way does that mean acquiring land and wealth was the
causus beli for the fighting. Conquest is quite often a byproduct of tryng to spread religion. Remember the Spanish Conquistadors? "God, Gold, and Glory!" was their rallying cry. One of their biggest reasons for subjugating the Aztecs was to force Catholicism onto the "heathens" -- thus causing them to destroy almost every SINGLE written work the Aztecs ever wrote down. Only three -- count 'em, three -- Aztec books survived. Rarely did one king just up and decide to take the land of another king -- especially since the people, whom the nobles needed to fill out their armies, wouldn't fight just to enrich the aristocracy.
On those rare times when the fighting was truly about land and riches, the nobility STILL needed to fire up the common foot soldier by using religion. This is why it was somewhat rare for one Catholic state to war with another Catholic state -- or for wars to be Protestant vs. Protestant. The nobility needed a religious difference to fire up the commoners to want to fight. "Your God is in danger -- and He wants you to fight to protect His religion. Now, boys, charge .... !"
How many commoners do you think would have been inspired by a speech like, "I'm your liege lord and I want more money. I want a bigger castle and more luxuries ... so go get it for me, boys. Charge!"
Yeah ... you get the idea.
At any rate, I could go on forever giving your history lessons -- not that it will do any good whatsoever because no doubt you'll be back here in a month trying to tell everyone how peaceful religions have been, that religion rarely causes wars, and it's all the fault of atheism and secularism -- because, yeah, that's what atheism has given the world: More war!
If only facts actually meant something in these debates. Alas, they never do.
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Let's talk about what actually WAS a Christian idea. "We shall be as a city upon a hill, the eyes of all people are upon us." Puritan governor in Massachusetts. |
Uhm, no ... how about we DON'T talk about the pile of steaming bullshyte that is the belief America was founded as a Christian nation.
Because doing so will only result in you embarrassing yourself.
For instance -- who CARES what the Puritan governor of Massachusetts said. You people have made quote mining a full time job -- especially when you quote a non-historical website like "International Cops for Christ." Are you goddamn kidding me? Seriously??
How many of those people are actual historians, d'ya think?
Anyhow, back to this Puritan governor. John Winthrop said those words in ... wait for it ... wait for it ... uhm, the year 1630. Wait, when was America founded again? Please, someone help me ... I can't seem to recall.
John Winthrop was not a Founding Father. Most of the ACTUAL founders were deists, not Christians. One of the things that made America different from other nations at the time was that it was to have a purely secular government. Even more importantly, the freedom to believe as you wish was paramount. This is why it is written in the FIRST few lines of our Bill of Rights.
No, bulmabriefs -- despite what the (LOL!) "International Cops for Christ" might say, America was trying to distance itself from things like state religions or proclaiming America to be a Christian nation.
Do I REALLY have to pull out the Treaty of Tripoli again ... AGAIN? Yeah, I think I do. *sigh*
Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli:
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen (Muslims); and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan (Mohammedan) nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
Guess who wrote that. Uhm yeah, it was John Adams. In case you may not know this -- and I'm starting to think you actually might not -- John Adams was an ACTUAL Founding Father. Unlike John Winthrop who died damn near a 100 years before the birth of America and, therefore, had no impact on the ideology of American politics at the time of its founding.
Not only that, I wouldn't take the word of a damn Puritan, anyway. Do you realize that the Puritans were essentially the Christian Taliban/Al-Qaeda/ISIS of their day? They were theological fascists who imposed oppressive rules and cruel punishments on their fellow Puritans -- and murdered people of other religions, especially Quakers who were sometimes dragged right out of their living rooms and lynched without a trial. Massachusetts, the colony that your John Winthrop governed actually banned Catholic priests from entering the colony -- on pain of death.
The Puritans only wanted a "city on the hill" for themselves -- and you better damn well do as your told in that city, too, or else.
Yeah, I know that in school everyone is taught that the Puritans were "Pilgrims" who came to the New World to escape religious persecution in their homelands. But no one bothered to ask WHY they were being persecuted. It was because of their extremist views, their fascistic religion, and because they believed they had a moral imperative to judge everyone to make sure no one was sinning.
Whether you know this or not, the Puritans are the religious ancestors of people like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson who take every opportunity to spew poison and hate. You know -- the scapegoating blame game they always play.
"Katrina is the fault of the gays!" "We brought 9/11 upon ourselves because America has sinned and turned from God!" "The kids who were murdered at the Ariana Grande concert cursed themselves by listening to that sinful music!" And on... and on ... and on. One of the core doctrrines of Puritanism was a staunch belief in collective punishment; God will punish the entire nation for the sins of a few. Therefore, it's up to each citizen to make sure other people aren't committing sins that might land us all in trouble! You know who else had a system like that? I'll give you a hint: "Sieg heil!"
So unless you want to believe that America's over-arching doctrines and policies, values and morals were founded by a group of theological fascist Al-Qaeda/Nazi wannabes, gee, I guess, once again, you are factually incorrrect.
Oh, I almost forgot: Just in case you have more historical ignorance to bestow in a future post regarding the Treaty of Tripoli, here's what a REAL historian said about it:
"By their actions, the Founding Fathers made clear that their primary concern was religious freedom, not the advancement of a state religion. Individuals, not the government, would define religious faith and practice in the United States. Thus the Founders ensured that in no official sense would America be a Christian Republic. Ten years after the Constitutional Convention ended its work, the country assured the world that the United States was a secular state, and that its negotiations would adhere to the rule of law, not the dictates of the Christian faith." -- Dr. Frank Lambert, Professor of History, Purdue University
Game ... set ... match.
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Or how about this? "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed..."
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What ABOUT it?
I don't see the words "Jesus" "Jehovah" "Yahweh" "God" or "Christian" in that quote.
Do you? DO you? As I said, the Founders were deists so yeah, they believed in a CREATOR.
However, it doesn't surprise me that you, like many Christians, simply ASSUME that every mention of a god, creator, or deity MUST be referring to YOUR god, creator, or deity. Such arrogance is actually quite jaw-dropping, especially in a nation with tens of millions of non-Christians. You see the word "Creator" and then you actually (LOL!) trot that out as proof that America is a Christian nation -- I mean, the hubris is utterly astounding.
I'd actually provide you with some links to some good historical reading if I thought it would do any good, but I'm all too well aware that religious fanaticism acts like an impenetrable shield against facts, reality, and objectivity, so I won't waste my time. I'm already wasting enough of it by writing this post.
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The Constitution honors the Christian Sabbath. “If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law.â€
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Ahahahaha! Oh my god. I just had Mello Yello go right up my nose; I damn near choked on it when I read that.
Are you serious? I'm starting to doubt whether or not you're being serious. I'm wondering now if you're not just writing this stuff to wind up the atheists. I just have a REALLY hard time thinking you or anyone else actually believes America is a Christian nation because a procedural exception within the Constitution means it "honors" the Christian Sabbath.
No, bulmabriefs ... if the Constitution "honored" the Sabbath, there would be a clause, article, or amendment stating that everyone must adhere to the Sabbath and respect the 10 Commandments -- or some such. Merely recognizing that many Americans ARE Christian and thus allowing them to practice their religion without undue distress does NOT mean we're a Christian nation. In fact, that procedure may not even pass the Lemon Test in this day and age and would probably get erased if someone were to actually challenge it.
I honestly can't believe you're nitpicking something THAT inconsequential and using it as evidence to prove your case.
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When the United States became a nation, it was done in the “name of the most holy and undivided Trinity.†For that matter, our checks and balances are based on three branches of government.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
*chokes some more*
Do you even KNOW where the words, "In the name of the most holy and undivided Trinity" even comes from? Any idea at all?
Okay, more history (please, no snoring or falling asleep, now!)
Whereas America is concerned, those words were written as the opening sentence of the Treaty of Paris which ended the Revolutionary War. Do you know which nation WROTE the treaty? It was England. No, not the United States. No, not the Founders. No, not the Continental Congress. The BRITISH wrote it -- and the words you quoted do not affirm that America is a Christian nation but that BRITAIN is a Christian nation. Britain did, and still does, have a state religion, after all.
And no, my historically ignorant friend, the Trinity is NOT referencing the father, son, and holy ghost. It is referencing the United Kingdom -- "in the name of the United Kingdom," essentially. Except in THOSE days, the UK often referred to itself as the Trinity when formal language was used -- like in, uhm, TREATIES. The term "trinity" refered to, if I remember right, England, Scotland, and Ireland (though it might be England, Scotland, and Wales ... my British history is a wee bit fuzzier than my U.S. history).
Jesus H. Christ, bulmabriefs ... you need to STAY AWAY from those moronic Christian nationalists who are trying to rewrite history. After you totally screwed the pooch with your "undivided Trinity" quote, I suddenly realized where you were getting your crap from.
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What have atheists done? Tried to undermine that for at least 80 years. Push the nation toward secularism and globalism. Dude, we can see how that's working for the EU. We don't want that.
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You know what ... just .... sit down and shut up. Please. I think this is the first time I've ever said that to someone on this forum. I respect your right to practice your religion. I do NOT have to respect your libel, slander, and full-on, bold-faced LIES you've been telling in your post from damn near the first letter you typed.
You are historically ignorant, you haven't the SLIGHTEST clue what you're talking about, you're embarrassing yourself, and I honestly hope everyone else who reads this sees you for the laughing stock you're on your way to becoming if you persist with these harebrained revisionist arguments.
1). You're damn straight we're going to undermine this becoming a "Christian nation." I would pick up a gun, fight, and die to preserve our secular state -- and in truth, I'd RATHER die than be a part of your Christian Taliban fascist state. I WISH I had been alive long enough to undermine your religion for the past 80 years, and I'm going to KEEP ON doing it until the day I pass from this earth.
And every time I think my will to do so starts to flag, all I have to do is read a post like yours to remind myself WHY undermining your religion is so bloody important. Yes. atheism is pushing America toward secularism -- but NOwhere is atheism denying you the right to practice your religion.
Honestly, your arguments make me sick. By YOUR logic, the Nazis weren't the bad guys for invading Poland in 1939. No, they were just exercising their right to force their beliefs and immoral morality onto the Poles. In fact, the Polish were persecuting the Nazis by standing up to them and refusing to give up without a fight. Those poor Nazis -- I mean, how DARE those Poles wanting to have their freedoms?
Yeah, bulmabriefs ... THAT is what you're saying. Because we atheists only began to put religion in its place when it decided it had the right to tell gays they couldn't marry ... because of their religious rules. It was such a flagrant overstep of religion that almost every atheist realized that if we don't start DOING something, law after law after religious law will end up whittling away our freedoms until we're no more free than a woman in Saudi Arabia or a homosexual in Iran.
2) Uhm, actually, I DO want America to be like the EU. It's actually worked out for them quite nicely. Not that you would KNOW that, of course, because your thought-control masters over at the right-wing Christian nationalist website would never tell you that.
Because I would really like it if America finally got with the program and adopted universal socialized medicine -- like every OTHER civilized nation. I would like it if America could have one of the highest standards of living in the world. I would like it if we had the highest life expectancy, one of the lowest crime rates, some of the best literacy rates, one of the lowest infant mortality rates. I would like it if we had a much higher freedom index, an actual democracy and not the plutocratic oligarchy we have now, and I would be delighted if we had one of the highest happiness quotients. You know ... all of the things most nations in the EU enjoy right now.
Of course, the annoying and utterly false propagandists YOU listen to would never admit to any of those things -- because they just want to drag this country back to the 1600s when religion had a stanglehold on everything and freedom was still an idealized dream talked about in hushed whispers by those being oppressed by fascistic religious dictators. (You DO realize that is why secret societies were formed, right? No, you probably don't ... considering what you already DON'T know about history).
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Our government was something unheard of at the time.
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Yay! Wooooo! Huzzah! Hip-hip-hooray! You finally got something right!
Except one of the REASONS why it was unheard of is because it was a secular government that promoted religious freedom. Which, apparently, is something you don't particularly believe in. You want your religion to dominate everything -- the government, our rule of law, our personal lives, even to the point of dictating what we can do in our bedrooms. ESPECIALLY what we're allowed to do with our own bodies inside of our bedrooms.
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You have the right to be an atheist precisely because of the freedoms given to you by a Christian state which in turn inspired other states for they were in fact a city upon a hill.
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Wait ... wait ... are you actually whining about how Christians are being persecuted while at the same time saying atheists only have rights thanks to the sufferance of Christians? Huh?
I hope that's not what you're saying -- but it certainly sounds like it. "Oh boohoo, those mean and nasty atheists are trying to, uhm, force my religion to obey the Constitution and striving to keep the government secular ... we Christians are losing all our freedoms and rights because of all that secularism!" But hey, we CHRISTIANS have all the power, and you mean and nasty atheists better be grateful that we CHRISTIANS allowed you to have those rights!
You know what, bulmabrief ... no, I won't say it. I spent too much time and endured way too much pain to have this post deleted.
Just use your imagination, 'k?
Because you're utterly full of it. Not only were the most prominant and active Founders NOT Christian, the Constitution does not endorse Christianity, it does not promote Christianity, the word "Creator" does not automatically equate to the Christian God of the Bible, but also this is not, and never HAS been a "Christian" nation. The ONLY way this country can be described as Christian in any meaningful way is to say that most people who live here identify as Christian -- most of whom, I'd argue, aren't even PRACTICING Christians. They just have a vague belief in God because they "go along to get along." They would just as easily believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster if that's what the rest of society believed.
In addition, there is absolutely NO way you're going to cow me into shutting up by implying that we atheists better be thankful -- and beholden -- to Christians for giving us our right to be an atheist. Which, by the way, is BARELY a right considering how we're treated by so-called "Christians" -- most of the prominant ones being liars, propagandists, and toxic poison-spewers. You know, the kind of Christian you are obviously receiving your information from. You seem to be intimately familiar with the type of Christian I'm talking about.
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I haven't even talked about the advances of science and medicine, since I already did so elsewhere.
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And it's a good thing you DIDN'T talk about the advances of science and medicine -- because then I'd have to call you to the carpet for claiming atheists are responsible for cruel scientific and medical experiments while saying only CHRISTIANS are responsible for the good science and medicine. I'd have to verbally slap your nose right off your face for saying something so stupid.
Then I'd have to remind you how the vast majority of scientists are atheists ... just so you can hand me a bunch of quote-mined speeches from famous scientists talking about God and religion -- which would mean I'd have to haul out a bunch of statistics that will trump the garbage you pull from websites like *snicker* International Cops for Christ.
Yeah, that conversation wouldn't have gone very well for you, I'm afraid, so it was a good call on your part to avoid it completely.
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Let's instead talk about religious contributions to morality. Temple Grandin, an autistic girl with an affinity to animals, developed a series of reforms to butchery designed to reduce pain and struggling with regard to animals, quite literally revolutionizing how animals were treated before being used for meat. She also observed proper cutting techniques for Jewish ritual slaughter to likewise minimize pain.
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Religious contributions to morality? You mean, like, say, the Catholic pedophile scandle, perhaps?
What I've noticed is that most contributions to morality were done IN SPITE of religion, not because of it. Good people will do good things whether they believe in God or not.
In the same way you ascribe a false correlation between atheism and immorality, you ascribe the same false correlation to religion and morality. People are people. They will do whatever is in their nature.
If the ONLY reason why a person does good deeds is because they think that's what their god wants them to do ... then they're not actually BEING a good person. As I said at the beginning of this post, they are just following orders. The same good person today would happily turn abysmally evil if that's what they think their god wants.
If their religion is the only cause for their good deeds, they're not moral, they're just ... doing what they're told to do. You seem to have a rather warped view of what morality is and where it comes from.
Honestly, this is one of the absolute WORST posts I have EVER had the displeasure of reading. Ever. Anywhere. At least in terms of religion. It was filled front to back with lies, propaganda, slander, historical inaccuracies pouring out of every orifice, and a haughty, sanctimonious, holier-than-thou arrogance that literally churned my stomach.
For shame, bulambriefs.
For shame.
(By the way, does anyone actually read my long posts anymore? I know people USED to, but 80% of them are no longer here and I'm detecting a change in this place that I'm not particularly happy with.)
At any rate, this Shirina Shellacking was brought to you by Meow Mix -- cat's ask for it by name! And your local pharmacy, dispensing morphine and oxycodone to pain patients for over a century. And, of course, Rice-o-Roni, the San Francisco treat.
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