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You make my point for me.
They couldn't swap minds.
Interesting Idea. Jewish remarkable intellect is evidence for God, eh? Interesting idea to think through. Like we would all do well to convert to Judaism ("Jesus for Jews") and if the Quran is just the work of Men - write another like it!
And come to that, wouldn't God, while telling them how to beat the Arabs, mention, by the way, that they can now eat prawns because he had his own son stapled up for their sins.
It seems to me that you can't have it both ways. Either the Jews are right and Christianity is wrong, or they are wrong (as regards Jesus) and that they won is not down to God but being there firstest with the mostest.
Let's see, all the scientists in this documentary compendium are atheist. Some nobels. https://youtu.be/z4E_bT4ecgk
Clever editing on that video. Perhaps if you linked to what the scientists actually said instead of linking to a dishonest Youtube site (as you usually do), you would see how your argument falls flat on it's face.
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No the cosmological constant is not explained, its explained away by a gross violation of occhams razor by invoking a multiverse.
From wikipedia - Occam's razor (also Ockham's razor or Ocham's razor; Latin: lex parsimoniae "law of parsimony") is the problem-solving principle that, when presented with competing hypothetical answers to a problem, one should select the one that makes the fewest assumptions.
Repeat until you understand Occam's razor.
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Atheists clamor for evidence, when they get it they go into turbo charged denial, at least be honest, you are just not willing to believe.
What part of 'quote mining' do you NOT understand? The video lied to you. At least be honest, you are either happy with this because you are just not willing to admit you have no evidence, or you can not understand the evidence.
More than one multiverse hypothesis? Ok, but it could be argued that the multiverse is a hypothesis, as Abiogenesis is, but there are different versions of it. However, thanks for the heads-up.
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It is more a break from work for me. Unfortunately I may be away for some time if get a certain contract. And then the summer break with the family.
I think I will miss this place.
In my experience, working is no barrier to intense posting. But if you do vanish, you have contributed immensely during the time you have been here, and your English is - so far as I can tell - perfect.
In my experience, working is no barrier to intense posting.
Unfortunately intense posting is a barrier to work. Fortunately, as an independent worker I get to choose when I work. Unfortunately, my tax man also has a say in this.
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In my experience, working is no barrier to intense posting. But if you do vanish, you have contributed immensely during the time you have been here, ...
Thank you.
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... and your English is - so far as I can tell - perfect.
Ha, but you have not seen me correct words like don't from do'nt, and I still have problems with putting verbs in the correct part of a sentence, especially when I stop using English for a few months.
On the Christian forum someone pointed out how we (atheist/agnostics) use circular reasoning. I didn't get an answer plus it's off topic on that thread. I don't get how I am doing that and sometimes I need my cognitive errors pointed out to me...............So, please explain.
aren't you thinking of evangelicals circular logic when they say there is one god because the bible said so and the bible is right because there is one god?
Or the bible is inerrant because the bible says it is inerrant?
=Harry Diogenes;51503776]Unfortunately intense posting is a barrier to work.
I was typing "So what...?" But then I remembered, you weren't British.
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TFortunately, as an independent worker I get to choose when I work. Unfortunately, my tax man also has a say in this.
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Understood, but don't be a stranger, as they say.
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aren't you thinking of evangelicals circular logic when they say there is one god because the bible said so and the bible is right because there is one god?
Or the bible is inerrant because the bible says it is inerrant?
I think so. As I recall they essentially accuse atheism of using a faith -based belief -system ["Religion"] or claim that they 'Know', and then appeal to the claim as support for what they claim...I think.
This is based on the Theist God -claim based on Faith and which is why it is so important for them to make out that atheism is a (Faith -claim -based) religion. Indeed it is linked with an accusation that atheism requires faith.
This is all total rubbish and is simply projecting their own modes of thinking (which they do) onto us (which we don't). And is why they keep insisting on it no matter how much we correct them.
It takes NO faith to not accept a claim without decent evidence and (as regards evidence) it take No faith to credit the validated results of science.
This is simple, which is why their failure to take the point on board is neither inability to comprehend, nor stupidity (though it resembles it) but is another symptom of Faith -based denial.
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More than one multiverse hypothesis? Ok, but it could be argued that the multiverse is a hypothesis, as Abiogenesis is, but there are different versions of it. However, thanks for the heads-up.
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Indeed, there is more than one Monotheism/God hypothesis. There are many Monotheism hypotheses.
And then there are Monotheism subhypotheses and Monotheism infra-subhypotheses.
That is not to mention just Theism in general, to include polytheisms.
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Indeed, there is more than one Monotheism/God hypothesis. There are many Monotheism hypotheses.
And then there are Monotheism subhypotheses and Monotheism infra-subhypotheses.
That is not to mention just Theism in general, to include polytheisms.
I appreciate you admitting that we can scrap the bible due to it being a "twisted source".
I didn’t state that, and make it a point not to subscribe to polarized thinking. The bible has been written, edited, translated and re-edited many times by fallible human beings. Yet, it has persevered for longer and better than many less ancient anthropological artifacts. It has largely shaped many cultures, including my own, so it would be ignorant to ignore such influences.
Also, when taken symbolically, there are interesting truths. Ie: The parable (fable) of the donkey talking to Ballem to stop being abusive....donkeys represent beasts of burden, also women (who carry life also).
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