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Every major city listed in the Gospels and Acts, for example, has been located and excavated! There have been references to Pilate that have been discovered, the Roman governor who sent Jesus to the cross.
Every major city listed in the Gospels and Acts, for example, has been located and excavated! There have been references to Pilate that have been discovered, the Roman governor who sent Jesus to the cross.
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It is very easy to set fictional stories in a real setting, in fact, it is easier to write using a real setting than it is to create a universe. The fact that some aspects of a story are true doesn’t make everything in the story true.
Do you really believe Bob Cratchett saw three ghosts at Christmas time simply because the story was set in London? Do you believe Spider-Man truly exists because he lived in Queens? Is the Koran the inspired word of Allah because Mecca and Medina are real places?
Sorry, the type of apologetic you are trying to present is not convincing to anybody.
The Babylonian Talmud had been censored for around 800 years by the Catholic church due to the references to Jesus and it also was written before Jesus birth until 500 AD, however, there have been discoveries of the uncensored version of the Babylonian Talmud it can be deeply offensive to Christians.
Sanhedrin 43a, which in the Babylonian Talmud reads as follows:
'It has been taught: On the eve of Passover they hanged Yeshu. And an announcer went out, in front of him, for forty days (saying): "He is going to be stoned because he practised sorcery and enticed and led Israel astray. Anyone who knows anything in his favor, let him come and plead in his behalf." But, not having found anything in his favour, they hanged him on the eve of Passover.' http://legacy.tyndale.cam.ac.uk/Tynd...one_Brewer.pdf
It not a secular source but it from Jewish religious scholar that saw Yeshu followers as a threat for turning the Jews against their religion. Yeshu is a name similar to the name of Jesus in Hebrew.
Unfortunately, as is often the case, Christians never give us the entire story but prefer to leave out the inconvenient truths that would hurt what they are trying to dupe us into believing. Here's what herenow1 left out:
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The identification of Yeshu as Jesus is problematic. For example, the Talmud mentions 1. Yeshu ben Pandera...who was executed at the climax of the Bar Kokhba revolt in 135 CE. Furthermore, 2. Yeshu the Pharisee student is described as being a student of the second-century BCE. Additionally, 3. Yeshu the sorcerer was executed by the royal government which lost legal authority in 63 BC
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These events would place the lifetime of either Yeshu decades before or after the birth and death of Jesus.
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Still, there are numerous other passages pertaining to an individual named "Yeshu" that either don't provide a specific time period or else specify a time where it is reasonable to assume mentioning of Jesus would be impossible
Here is the true identity of the Yeshu herenow1 is speaking of:
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Sanhedrin 43a relates the trial and execution of Jesus and his five disciples.[91] Here, Jesus is a sorcerer who has enticed other Jews to apostasy. A herald is sent to call for witnesses in his favour for forty days before his execution. No one comes forth and in the end he is stoned and hanged on the Eve of Passover. His five disciples, named Matai, Nekai, Netzer, Buni, and Todah are then tried.
Did Jesus ever have 5 disciples whose names were Matai, Nekai, Netzer, Buni, and Todah???????
There's so much more that totally shoots so many holes in herenow1's claim that his theory would leak like a sieve.
Every major city listed in the Gospels and Acts, for example, has been located and excavated! There have been references to Pilate that have been discovered, the Roman governor who sent Jesus to the cross.
Every major city listed in the Gospels and Acts, for example, has been located and excavated! There have been references to Pilate that have been discovered, the Roman governor who sent Jesus to the cross.
Please notice that herenow1 doesn't give us a single reference to back up his hyperbolic statement.
[DIS AUGUSTI]S TIBERIÉUM
[...PONTI]US PILATUS
[...PRAEF]ECTUS IUDA[EA]E
[...FECIT D]E[DICAVIT]
The translation from Latin to English for the inscription reads:
[DIS AUGUSTI]S TIBERIÉUM
[...PONTI]US PILATUS
[...PRAEF]ECTUS IUDA[EA]E
[...FECIT D]E[DICAVIT]
The translation from Latin to English for the inscription reads:
Even if you do not believe in Jesus, there is plenty of secular sources of places and records people from the New Testament that have been discovered.
I have seen the Pilate stone. Yes, it probably indicates the existence of a person with the cognomen Pilate, although the Pontius part is still speculation.
Yes, many places mentioned in the Bible were real.
So what to either point? As I mentioned above, it is perfectly reasonable to set fictional stories using a setting that contains real people and places. You have not come one inch closer to proving the existence of either a human or divine Jesus.
Unfortunately, as is often the case, Christians never give us the entire story but prefer to leave out the inconvenient truths that would hurt what they are trying to dupe us into believing. Here's what herenow1 left out:
And here's the important part:
And this:
Here is the true identity of the Yeshu herenow1 is speaking of:
Did Jesus ever have 5 disciples whose names were Matai, Nekai, Netzer, Buni, and Todah???????
There's so much more that totally shoots so many holes in herenow1's claim that his theory would leak like a sieve.
Well according to a Jewish religion website: The Talmud is a collection of writings that cover the full gamut of Jewish law and tradition, compiled and edited between the third and sixth centuries.
For over a thousand years, from the days of Moses until the days of Rabbi Yehudah the Prince (late 2nd century CE), no one had composed a written text for the purpose of teaching the Oral Law in public. Instead, in each generation, the head of the court or the prophet of that generation would take notes of the teachings which he received from his masters for himself, and teach them orally in public. Similarly, individuals would write notes for themselves of what they had heard regarding the explanation of the Torah, its laws, and the new concepts that were deduced in each generation concerning laws that were not communicated by the oral tradition, but rather derived using one of the thirteen principles of biblical exegesis and accepted by the high court.10https://www.chabad.org/library/artic...the-Talmud.htm So the Talmud was originally spread orally rather than in written form for thousands of years until a few centuries after the birth of Jesus Christ, So what the Talmud which was spoken in the 1st century and written a few centuries after that could have some slight or some significant differences.
I have seen the Pilate stone. Yes, it probably indicates the existence of a person with the cognomen Pilate, although the Pontius part is still speculation.
Yes, many places mentioned in the Bible were real.
So what to either point? As I mentioned above, it is perfectly reasonable to set fictional stories using a setting that contains real people and places. You have not come one inch closer to proving the existence of either a human or divine Jesus.
Well, people that believe in Jesus don't need to have physical proof of his existence, it comes from faith. Either you believe in him and see him as the son of God or you see him if he existed as a liar.
There are many unexplained mysteries of the world, and so far no one has proven the existence there is no God, but in the meantime, no one today has ever proven the existence of God, or if there is life after death.
Well, people that believe in Jesus don't need to have physical proof of his existence, it comes from faith. Either you believe in him and see him as the son of God or you see him if he existed as a liar.
There are many unexplained mysteries of the world, and so far no one has proven the existence there is no God, but in the meantime, no one today has ever proven the existence of God, or if there is life after death.
Ok. So you believe in your god on faith alone. The fact that the Bible mentions real cities does not seem to be the fact that convinced you to believe as you do. I suspect you find it satisfying to some extent, but I also suspect that if some cities had never been found and simply existed as names it would not shake your faith at all.
Thanks for admitting that, and as you do not rely on this as the basis of your faith, I hope you can see how it is an unconvincing argument for others who do not share your faith.
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