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My problem is that in order for something to exist it has to be made up of matter. The very presence of matter is what makes times arrow flow, and makes up existence itself. From the second we had "something" after the Big Bang, we also had a flow of time. To say that something "exists" is to imply it is made up of matter and therefore is subject to the same time constraints that we find in our universe. Therefore, if God does indeed exist then he is subject to some sort of time-frame just as we are.
The OP brings up a good point in his/her title. If existence is God and God is existence, then perhaps they are synonymous. However, people don't like that because it takes away their idea of God as being some sort of omnipotent, omniscient, forever-like being. In order for God to be existence he must also be constituted of "stuff" and therefore limited to certain natural confines to include the flow of time's arrow and laws of physics. So, in the vaguest of senses, if you want to call "existence" or "nature" God then I think you have an inaccurate definition but I won't argue.
Its really a beach to explain my views on the universe outside the concept of time. Some people just find it impossible to imagine a place where the arrow of time does not exist.
absolutely...that is why it cannot be explained nor should an attempt be made. Timelessness is beyond the ken of man, beyond senses, sensory/mental perception, beyond form. Beyond the vocabulary...why then explain anything?
How can you explain how existence came into existence? The only logical answer is existence is uncaused. Yea of course we will never understand this FACT. It could have easily been Nothing from eternity past to Nothing today. But we see life around us and real things in the universe. When you think about it before we came into this world we were all gone forever and ever! God was the ONLY living thing from eternity past to eternity past. The fact that a Being like God exist is very disturbing...not only that..the fact that this being did not come from anywhere but was always in existence! Life is really a miracle when you think about it. Its not a accident. How can you explain eternity? Existence that has no beginning or end? That is mind boggling and scary. The only way i can think this is possible is that time cannot be tied with it. No matter how far you try to look for a beginning you will never find it.
Thats how i understand eternity and existence. You cannot point to a beginning to it. It if has no beginning then that means it has no end! Just think about if God had a beginning or was created then who created God? It would be a endless cycle! In other words that is impossible..because you have to keep searching for who was first! But you still have a problem..who caused the first? Thats why God is uncaused and has no origin. He is existence itself. His presence can be felt everywhere and seen.
Why is this "scary" ?? Scary because mind cannot fathom the infinite...Yet, all around in form and subtleness God exists. IMO why look for beginning/middle/ends, whatever. WE all look outside of our SELF...heck I did that for years....
I wasn't speaking about evolution. Rather I was speaking about the creation of the universe by chance.
Also, before the Big Bang there was not time. We count the start of the universe, the Big Bang, as the start of all time.
Personally I can't see that...Big Bang...then time? There may have been an infinte # of big bangs in myriad universes resulting in untold # of beings/events.
What science knows of space and consciousness is next to nothing.
possibilities are endless
True, multi-verses may exist. However, they have no bearing on our start of time and existence. I may have a child in the future, but his/her time in life has not started and neither has his/her existence. I won't continue with the analogy because it gets... adult.
However, you cannot have time without existence. Therefore, existence is needed to create time.
True, multi-verses may exist. However, they have no bearing on our start of time and existence. I may have a child in the future, but his/her time in life has not started and neither has his/her existence. I won't continue with the analogy because it gets... adult.
However, you cannot have time without existence. Therefore, existence is needed to create time.
My problem is that in order for something to exist it has to be made up of matter. The very presence of matter is what makes times arrow flow, and makes up existence itself. From the second we had "something" after the Big Bang, we also had a flow of time. To say that something "exists" is to imply it is made up of matter and therefore is subject to the same time constraints that we find in our universe. Therefore, if God does indeed exist then he is subject to some sort of time-frame just as we are.
The OP brings up a good point in his/her title. If existence is God and God is existence, then perhaps they are synonymous. However, people don't like that because it takes away their idea of God as being some sort of omnipotent, omniscient, forever-like being. In order for God to be existence he must also be constituted of "stuff" and therefore limited to certain natural confines to include the flow of time's arrow and laws of physics. So, in the vaguest of senses, if you want to call "existence" or "nature" God then I think you have an inaccurate definition but I won't argue.
Your much more familiar with the physics of "creation" than I.
Nevertheless, entertain my mental rambling.
You said " the very existence of matter is what makes time's arrow flow"
If we look at the relationship between matter and energy, we find motion to be significant. In Einsteins case it was the speed of light.
Then if we look at the story in genesis, we find the first thing that was created was light. Before light there was a void ( vacumn ) that had been created.
It was after the creation of light ( motion/energy ), that matter occurred.
Don't know what this means, or were to go with it, but I wonder if great minds would entertain us theists, and begin with the hypothesis that "a forceyet observed" ( or what we call God ) factors into the equation, we might all be able to work together and see where it takes us all.
I wasn't speaking about evolution. Rather I was speaking about the creation of the universe by chance.
Also, before the Big Bang there was not time. We count the start of the universe, the Big Bang, as the start of all time.
I see time as another dimension, and I am not sure why you want to start time at the big bang, could be a shift in time, but I feel sure time was moving along as the universal matter was undergoing its compression prior to the BANG.
I see time as another dimension, and I am not sure why you want to start time at the big bang, could be a shift in time, but I feel sure time was moving along as the universal matter was undergoing its compression prior to the BANG.
I dont know, remember from relativity101 that space and time are the same thing so since before the expansion there was no space, then there was no time
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