Who will sit with me within the sacred circle (witness, quote, pray)

[masonsdaughter]

Hi, babigyrl5, and welcome. I think you will find much to think about here. We are all hear to learn. What you are describing does sound like astral projection. including waking up paralyzed. The way it was explained to me was that sometimes you wake up before you are fully back in your body. Maby some else could shed some light on this.

[firstborn888]

Originally Posted by ptsum

firstborn, thank you for bringing this to our attention and I think we should all take a look at this.osay

The bottom line is that if we care then it can be stopped. If we don't care then it will continue.

I guess the problem we have (in a free country) is where to draw the line in opposing abuse. Do we stop it when it's across the room? In the next room? Across the street? On the other side of town? In another state? Across an ocean?

The answer is that if it is occurring on our planet then we have a responsibility. We are supporting human trafficking by purchasing certain products and we are not holding those countries accountable who are not aggressively closing down brothels where young boys and girls are being held as sex slaves.

I guarantee that if you care, your representatives will care and if you don't - they won't.

[ptsum]

Originally Posted by babigyrl5

Thanks for the welcome, it is amazing how good that felt to spill out everything I believe in! Normally I cant give the whole story to someone just because they will try to sway me to what THEY believe, not what Im seeking. Im 26 years old but I feel so much older because I feel like I have been reincarnated many times. I dont even know where to begin with my questions. I guess I'll start with what bothers me. Christians believe that using tools to see into the future or alter our destiny is occult. I dont want to go against something that displeases God but I dont see that as such. I never do anything to make someone do something against their will (I do believe if it was meant to be, it will be and there is nothing we can do to change that- delay, yes but not change) but I dont see any harm in using tools to to see the future to help with our current situation or understand the past. I have an advisor that does readings for me often and she is extremelly accurate. And between reading I do my own and surprisingly I am accurate too (I heard people say you cant read yourself). But it bothers me so much to think that what Im doing is displeasing God. So is this bad? Next question, for many years sometimes I would wake up paralyzed. I was wide awake but could not move. I sometimes feel a presence int he room (sometimes evil), I sometimes hear a voice or voices (can be anything from a man to children) and sometimes I even feel someone touching me, but through all this I have never seen anyone. I did some research and found it may have been astral projection but of course my doctor said its sleep paralysis, common among African Americans and I need to be in a sleep study. My advisor told me that I do travel to a distant planet and the scary part was- she was dead on with what I thought I was "dreaming". I never told anyone of the reoccurring dreams I have but she told me my dream, in detail, and said she knew because she often sees me there! When I go to this place, we dont communicate by speaking, because our mouths never move, its telapathy. One time I was outside talking to a woman I see often in my dreams, I look over at a tree and there is a woman there speaking to some birds, like they are gathered around her listening to her talk. Well when I was talking to my advisor, not only did she describe MY dream vividly, down to how we communicate but she said "do you remember someone by a tree talking to the "birds"? That was me." How amazing is that????!!! Oh and she said they werent birds, they were fairies but she lost me with that one lol. I want to beleive there are fairies but it seems so far fetched. So my question is, where do we go when we sleep? I'll take a break and read some answers on this question and then my next questions are on spirits, Shamans and animal guides

Let me try to answer the first question for you the best way I can,I'm not going to criticize or be judgmental of anybody else's belief or culture,but I don't see anything wrong in what you're doing as far as using "tools",we all use tools of some sort to try and explain our beliefs each religion or culture has different tools Christianity uses their sacred book and the church and the implements within the church,these are tools,as it is with other religious beliefs and I don't think the Creator would be upset with that, in some cases I think he/she would be rather amused and what us mere mortals are doing I would think he/she has a sense of humor when it comes to that,so no, I don't see where you're doing anything wrong in that respect.

Now some others will come in here and give their experiences and advice on this particular subject and that's good,it would be nice to hear from everybody as to what they think. osay

Now as to the second part of your question,that I'm going to have to think on a little bit before I answer it and don't get me wrong I'm not bowing out of this,it's trying to put into words something that I do and have been doing pretty much all of my life,so to me it's natural and finding the words for such a thing is not all that easy,however I will think about this and let you know in the very near future,in the meantime,I'm sure there are others that would be willing and could also tell you about their experiences.osay

[lwowl]

Hello babigyrl5, welcome: hope you can find true comfort in a truly Sacred Circle, no need to worry about confusion. See some beautiful gifts the Creator wants to be carried on into mankind's future, you will integrate them in your own time. I wish you a safe environment!

[babigyrl5]

I'm going to stay up and make sure the fire doesn't go out, peace be to all- goodnight!

“Have courage for the great sorrows of life and patience for the small ones; and when you have laboriously accomplished your daily task, go to sleep in peace. God is awake.” Victor Hugo

[moonsavvy]

Originally Posted by babigyrl5

Thanks for the welcome, it is amazing how good that felt to spill out everything I believe in! Normally I cant give the whole story to someone just because they will try to sway me to what THEY believe, not what Im seeking. Im 26 years old but I feel so much older because I feel like I have been reincarnated many times. I dont even know where to begin with my questions. I guess I'll start with what bothers me. Christians believe that using tools to see into the future or alter our destiny is occult. I dont want to go against something that displeases God but I dont see that as such. I never do anything to make someone do something against their will (I do believe if it was meant to be, it will be and there is nothing we can do to change that- delay, yes but not change) but I dont see any harm in using tools to to see the future to help with our current situation or understand the past. I have an advisor that does readings for me often and she is extremelly accurate. And between reading I do my own and surprisingly I am accurate too (I heard people say you cant read yourself). But it bothers me so much to think that what Im doing is displeasing God. So is this bad? Next question, for many years sometimes I would wake up paralyzed. I was wide awake but could not move. I sometimes feel a presence int he room (sometimes evil), I sometimes hear a voice or voices (can be anything from a man to children) and sometimes I even feel someone touching me, but through all this I have never seen anyone. I did some research and found it may have been astral projection but of course my doctor said its sleep paralysis, common among African Americans and I need to be in a sleep study. My advisor told me that I do travel to a distant planet and the scary part was- she was dead on with what I thought I was "dreaming". I never told anyone of the reoccurring dreams I have but she told me my dream, in detail, and said she knew because she often sees me there! When I go to this place, we dont communicate by speaking, because our mouths never move, its telapathy. One time I was outside talking to a woman I see often in my dreams, I look over at a tree and there is a woman there speaking to some birds, like they are gathered around her listening to her talk. Well when I was talking to my advisor, not only did she describe MY dream vividly, down to how we communicate but she said "do you remember someone by a tree talking to the "birds"? That was me." How amazing is that????!!! Oh and she said they werent birds, they were fairies but she lost me with that one lol. I want to beleive there are fairies but it seems so far fetched. So my question is, where do we go when we sleep? I'll take a break and read some answers on this question and then my next questions are on spirits, Shamans and animal guides

Very exciting and I can relate! I
Oh what have I heard that called, sleep travel I think? I've traveled in my sleep as well, but do not have the same experiences as you. Mine are more like solitude travels where I will see colored shapes, the colors are so vivid and beautiful you couldn't imagine it. There are other times when my soulmate is with me, it's the most amazing love I've ever felt.

I also acknowledge the Divine Feminine, She has given me many signs that she is around. I'm also more spiritual than religious and have not found a religion that aligns with my belief's

[babigyrl5]

Originally Posted by moonsavvy

Very exciting and I can relate! I
Oh what have I heard that called, sleep travel I think? I've traveled in my sleep as well, but do not have the same experiences as you. Mine are more like solitude travels where I will see colored shapes, the colors are so vivid and beautiful you couldn't imagine it. There are other times when my soulmate is with me, it's the most amazing love I've ever felt.

I also acknowledge the Divine Feminine, She has given me many signs that she is around. I'm also more spiritual than religious and have not found a religion that aligns with my belief's

Thanks for sharing moonsavvy, your words are so beautiful they stir something in me! Speaking of soulmates...I think everyone has them but not everyone gets to meet them. I still wonder if I have met mine. When I am stressed out and need to just escape I close my eyes and invision I am sitting on a riverbank in India. i dont know why I chose India, one day I was going through so much and when I closed my eyes I felt warmth surrounded me...then I saw a beautiful fiery red sunset. I looked down at my clothes and saw more beautiful colors and it just all fell into place. When I met this guy who may possibly be my soulmate, I called him my "India" because he could take me to my exscape place without me having to close my eyes, just his being calmed me down .But my question is, how do you know if someone is your soul mate or not? Here is a blog entry I wrote about him, I'd appreciate any comments or thoughts and just as an update, I wrote this 2 years ago, since then he did one more tour Iraq, came to visit me a few more times, we lost touch for about 6 months and now we are back talking again. He is getting out of the army next month and I dont know whats going to happen from there...thoughts are greatly appreciated

Someone I'll never forget....

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[SIZE=3]My season and reason came to me when I was going through a very difficult time in my life. He brought a sense of calmness and tranquility to my world. When the world was swirling all around me in a blurry haze, we were still. MY world was still. I called him my India. See, India is my escape place. When I am stressed and feeling overwhelmed by the troubles of the world I close my eyes and imagine I am sitting on a riverbank in India. The hot sun is warming my body and leaving me with a delicate glow. My pink and orange sari blows gently in the wind. An elephant drinks in the water next to me, and I am at peace. And every time I talked to him when I was going through something, he always brought me back to that feeling. He didn’t even have to really know I was going through anything, just his presence, whether it was on the phone or in person, he made me feel like I had some control over my life again.[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Cottage Grove is a place I will remember forever. It was the place where we first broke the friendship barrier. We didn’t have sex but it was a stepping stone in our relationship that would shape future encounters to come. [/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]My India was the kind of person that could make you laugh without even trying. Even if he was cracking jokes about me he still lifted my spirits. Before he left for Iraq he was my 9pm call. It was guaranteed I'd talk to him every day at 9pm when minutes were free lol. It gave me something to look forward to. We were just friends but I always hoped it could be something more. When he left for Iraq I felt like a piece of me went with him. He had my heart. I proudly wore a shirt with a green camouflage heart that said "Half my heart is in Iraq". But his presence was so strong, just by writing him letters, even if he didn't write back, I was able to achieve that sense of satisfaction and peace. Writing HIM was therapy for ME. I sent him packages every so often and once again he would make me laugh by cracking jokes about its contents. "What am I going to do with 500 zip lock bags?!" he'd ask me lol. It was so amazing how just a call from him in Iraq would make my day- no, make my week. I was on cloud nine after talking to him. I believe what you are doing at midnight on new years is an indication of how your year would go. He called me right before midnight and I just prayed that it meant this was our year. Finally. [/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]On January 11, 2006 at 11:30pm I receive a text message that changed my life. Not only did it immediately relieve all my worries and end my sleepless nights being up so I wouldn’t miss an IM, but it marked the beginning of the end of our season. "I'm Back". Those two words made my heart beat faster and slower at the same time.[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]I got a little too excited upon his return to US soil. Over the next few days I called him 15 times just because I could lol. And then the day I have been waiting for since the morning on Cottage Grove. Then, for the first time ever in the history of mankind, defying all laws of science and relativity and maps as we know it, on February 4, 2006... India was in Ohio. [/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]I dare say that visit was my single greatest life changing event to ever take place. I say this because not only did it change my past, but it HAS, not had, the strong potential to change my future. The blueprints of life were rewritten on that day. When we danced, the sky opened and mere mortals parted. Not too many people are blessed to have met someone who changes their whole existence and the way they think about everything. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]God has blessed me in so many ways, but this blessing turned into a curse. Before I knew it, before I could stop myself or grab hold of reality, I slipped. I fell. I was in love.[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Normally this would be a good thing, but when two beings are on separate planes, it surmounts to isolation and desertion. We kinda didn’t talk much after I told him my feelings. He just couldn’t understand how that could be.... how I could love him. It caught me by surprise too, I wasn’t expecting it. I started feeling it late into his tour of Iraq. I wanted him to be home and I wanted to be there too. I wanted to cook for him and rub his back and do all the things people who care about each other should do. Nowadays I hear from him once every few weeks and our conversations are short, him usually getting off the phone to talk to someone else or go do something. His other nickname I had for him was Specialist. Not only was that his old rank but despite how things turned out it was how he made me feel. So special. Even though he may only have come into my life for a reason (to show me there are some good guys out there that know how to show a woman some respect) or a season, deep down inside I wish it could be a lifetime.[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Now when I sit on the riverbank in India, with my eyes closed and my head skyward, sometimes I look over and see the Specialist, sitting there too, next to me, like he's been there all along and I just never known, and sometimes I am alone. But either way it goes, I found my peace and tranquility, and only time will tell if my reason and season will be my lifetime as well. [/SIZE]
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[moonsavvy]

Very beautiful babigyrl, I admire your visualization, I felt like I was right there with you.

Thank you for opening up a part of your heart. Your story was very touching.

Blessings

[firstborn888]

Originally Posted by babigyrl5

Speaking of soulmates...I think everyone has them but not everyone gets to meet them. I still wonder if I have met mine.

I read your post with much interest.

My experience is that we sometimes project our image of a perfect soulmate onto someone then are broken when that person fails to be who we thought they were. After the brokenness there (hopefully) comes a deeper understanding, a spiritual understanding of what we really need. If not we tend to go in circles until we realize the need can only be met from inside us - not from outside.

As far as your questions about fortune tellers ect. my question to you is do you really need (or really want) to know the future? It is basic human nature to want to know - but always wanting to see the future can prevent you from living in the now.

[babigyrl5]

Originally Posted by firstborn888

As far as your questions about fortune tellers ect. my question to you is do you really need (or really want) to know the future? It is basic human nature to want to know - but always wanting to see the future can prevent you from living in the now.

good insight! I mostly use it for confirmation and understanding. Like I spoke with my advisor thursday and she didnt know that I cut some friends out my life but she said that I had been questioning whether I did the right thing and her answer was, keep them going- dont take them back. I didnt even mention I had done that or was questioning that! Or like helping me understand peope (the guy who I wrote the blog about) she said he is distant because he feels confused on his feelings for me (I didnt tell her he was distant or that we had an interesting past and thats why he is confused) But I understand what you are saying firstborn888, thanks for your comments- it has me doing some thinking!