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Old 05-09-2008, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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Your posts seem to be a bit incoherent.
You would never know what meaning life can have unless you experiment on your own, make your own decisions, your own actions, your own evaluations, instead of accepting that what you are told to believe should be the meaning of life.
Anyone who needs a precedent or instructional manual on how to love would never know what love is. How can love be perfected? One either loves or does not love.
Untimately, everything is in vain because we will all die. Some will leave behind a legacy that will be remembered for a while, and then fade away.
I make my own choices, my own decisions. After analyzing all of the possibilities there is only one that makes sense.

Then upon acting on that discovery, God confirmed it to be true.

Not all die, love can be perfected, it in fact is the greatest power in existence, and as we grow in love, we are transformed by the power of love, even annointed, which is what Christ means.

I don't expect you to understand. Understanding comes from believing to the point of living and experiencing the power of love. There are degrees of love, when love is perfected, we are then one.

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Old 05-09-2008, 01:18 PM
 
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Your posts seem to be a bit incoherent.
Not to a Christian its not. Here's why. Your mind, as a non-believer is veiled. You're blinded.

2 Corinthians 4:2-6, "Rather, we have renounced secret and shameful ways; we do not use deception, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. For we do not preach ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus' sake. For God, who said, "Let light shine out of darkness," made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ."

The above scripture makes the rest of what you said below understandable because you can't understand what you don't know. You see through a glass darkly and think you do, but you don't realize that the Truth far greater than you've ever imagined out there.

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You would never know what meaning life can have unless you experiment on your own, make your own decisions, your own actions, your own evaluations, instead of accepting that what you are told to believe should be the meaning of life.
Anyone who needs a precedent or instructional manual on how to love would never know what love is. How can love be perfected? One either loves or does not love.
Untimately, everything is in vain because we will all die. Some will leave behind a legacy that will be remembered for a while, and then fade away.
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Old 05-09-2008, 01:22 PM
 
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Old 05-09-2008, 03:06 PM
 
Location: God's Country
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Humans are just as meaningless as the cockroach which gets squashed under a shoe. Some people only believe that human life has value. Many people give meaning to their lives by what they do, where they direct their passions and interests.
People basically care only about themselves, their material possessions, and those in their intimate surroundings. If people cared there would be much less poverty, hunger, pain. The world is full of unwanted people. Thousands die daily from curable ailments only because it's not financially feasable to correct the situation. Many are left to fend for themselves in the streets and rummage thru garbage for food, they are looked upon as a nuisance, run off, put in jail, assaulted and sometimes killed. People in various parts of the world deal with such problems daily and will never know any other kind of life.
You really think your a as meaningless as a cockroach??? How sad for you.
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Old 05-09-2008, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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Not to a Christian its not. Here's why. Your mind, as a non-believer is veiled. You're blinded.

2 Corinthians 4:2-6, "Rather, we have renounced secret and shameful ways; we do not use deception, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. For we do not preach ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus' sake. For God, who said, "Let light shine out of darkness," made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ."

The above scripture makes the rest of what you said below understandable because you can't understand what you don't know. You see through a glass darkly and think you do, but you don't realize that the Truth far greater than you've ever imagined out there.
Bible quotes don't prove anything (especially the ones containing metaphors) do not prove anything. They merely justify. I don'y believe because the evidence to encourage belief is lacking. Understanding comes from being presented with facts to analyze and evaluate, believing doesn't require anything, no effort at all. It's called blind belief.
How does light shine in hearts? How many watts?
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Old 05-09-2008, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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You really think your a as meaningless as a cockroach??? How sad for you.
I stated that all human life is meaningless. That must be a terribly unbearable thought to some.
Believing that life has meaning is merely a belief not based on anything.
I don't feel sad about this because I do things. I'm active mentally, my brain functions very well. I value my brain. This is why I reject mumbo-jumbo that can't be proven. Someday I'll die and that's it. Also, I don't want to be resurrected.
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Old 05-09-2008, 05:06 PM
 
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Once there were some ants in an ant hill with no outside entrance. They worked hard all day, but sometimes after a day's work they would just relax and talk. But they had their differences.. some of the ants thought that there was more to the universe than their ant hill, and some were quite certain that there was not.

"Listen," one ant would say, "can't you feel the earth shaking? That is Human walking around."

"Hahaha," the other ants would reply. "There is nothing beyond this ant hill. Those rumblings you say you hear are just a figment of your imagination. Prove to me that there is something or someone beyond this ant hill."

But, the ants could not get out. There was no way to prove, with the materials or evidence inside the ant hill, that there was life outside the ant hill. But they knew it. They heard it, and believed.
Well, the ants heard something. Now is the time for some scientific inquiry. Why didn't the ants assume it was a giraffe, an alligator or an anteater? Why did they think it was one human? Why not many humans? How did they know it wasn't thunder ,an earthquake or a volcano?
Those ants are never going to come up with any scientific understanding of their world if they can just always fall back on a feeling. Just like we'd still be running and hiding from the "great thunder god" every time it stormed...
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Old 05-09-2008, 05:33 PM
 
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Bible quotes don't prove anything (especially the ones containing metaphors) do not prove anything. They merely justify. I don'y believe because the evidence to encourage belief is lacking. Understanding comes from being presented with facts to analyze and evaluate, believing doesn't require anything, no effort at all. It's called blind belief.
How does light shine in hearts? How many watts?
Being that Christians accept the Bible as the true, inerrant word of God, they are proof enough for us.
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Old 05-09-2008, 05:35 PM
 
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I stated that all human life is meaningless. That must be a terribly unbearable thought to some.
Believing that life has meaning is merely a belief not based on anything.
I don't feel sad about this because I do things. I'm active mentally, my brain functions very well. I value my brain. This is why I reject mumbo-jumbo that can't be proven. Someday I'll die and that's it. Also, I don't want to be resurrected.
Believing that life has NO meaning is merely a belief not based on anything. You said you reject "mumbo-jumbo that can't be proven." How is it that you can accept that life has no meaning, then? Where's the proof that allows you to accept this?
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Old 05-09-2008, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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Believing that life has NO meaning is merely a belief not based on anything. You said you reject "mumbo-jumbo that can't be proven." How is it that you can accept that life has no meaning, then? Where's the proof that allows you to accept this?
Life has no meaning because there is no proof to the contrary.
To the other post; accepting the bible to be true does not make it true. The proof is missing. This is where religion falters. Nothing can be adequately explained. The biblical "mumbo-jumbo" tries to hide the fact that proof is missing.
How much intellectual activity is required to shout, "Glory, hallelujah, it's all true"? Hardly any brainwork involved. Small wonder that believers disregard their brain and believe the heart has eyes, ears, probably antennas, and various other things. I still wonder why god doesn't speak to the liver, or kidneys, or the big toe. Maybe the liver has eyes and ears as well.
I value my brain.
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