The Timeframe of Your Existence (passages, recall, consciousness, bible)
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so your whole line of logic is based on a soul. One that doesn't exist as religion religion teaches to most people anyway.
My line of logic, because I am stupid, has to start at sorting a soul ... so here goes ... if we assume that they have it correct that we see 5% on the universe than its ok to assume that we see 5% of you. That leaves 95% to be your soul. I mean we can cut that by two factors (we might say 3 or 4) of ten and still have it hold true. Maybe that is the thing that goes one and/or was always here?
There are counter arguments for saying no, but yes/no would be on almost equal footing.
Ok, soul sorted out ... but forever? why forever and not just for the life of this universe?
Ok, so two people say "we don't know everything so we go on forever."
Back to ...
How do we stop shifting off of using what we are learning about your god using what we both experience? How do we sort through who is using reliable information and who is not?
Ok, so two people say "we don't know everything so we go on forever."
Back to ...How do we stop shifting off of using what we are learning about your god using what we both experience? How do we sort through who is using reliable information and who is not?
i agree that we all exist forever,
and that runs in both directions.
forever can not run in just one direction. it is not logically possible.
i have no desire to reference or discuss specific religious teachings, just our own beliefs in our own words as put forth in the opening post and topic of this thread. and regarding bold above, "eternal life" and "unending existence" and "exist forever" all mean the same thing to me.
I did not say that it runs in both directions but only that once having been born we exist forever.
And I did state my beliefs which happens to be the biblical view. I am going to leave it at that because it's really just a waste of time discussing it.
I did not say that it runs in both directions but only that once having been born we exist forever.
And I did state my beliefs which happens to be the biblical view. I am going to leave it at that because it's really just a waste of time discussing it.
fair enough. i agree. the thread topic is stating our views and we have done that.
You are avoiding the direct problem. You said it your self, we all have a different knowledge base and personal experience.
How do we tell what experiences are more reliable. How do we tell who is using more reliable information to describe the attributes of your soul thing.
You are avoiding the direct problem. You said it your self, we all have a different knowledge base and personal experience.
How do we tell what experiences are more reliable. How do we tell who is using more reliable information to describe the attributes of your soul thing.
criteria for "more reliable" are not the same for every person.
so a person can not impose their criteria on anyone else. all a person can do is select their own criteria.
Last edited by Tzaphkiel; 12-06-2020 at 10:01 AM..
criteria for "reliable" is not the same for every person.
a person does not impose that on others. a person does get to select their own criteria.
again ... great point.
how do we tell, as best we can being rational people, whos processing the information more reliably?
This key tzaph. When you are talking to people, I mean you, when you are teaching to people. We put what other people say/said side by side and see what one looks more reliable.
Traph: a person does get to select their own criteria
vs
arach: we need to sit down and look at what we say.
leaving out 1/2 the truth isn't all that reliable.
again ... great point.how do we tell, as best we can being rational people, whos processing the information more reliably? This key tzaph. When you are talking to people, I mean you, when you are teaching to people. We put what other people say/said side by side and see what one looks more reliable. Traph: a person does get to select their own criteria vs arach: we need to sit down and look at what we say. leaving out 1/2 the truth isn't all that reliable.
i don't "teach to people." i respect that people are capable of navigating their own life.
you are proselytizing. i don't do proselytizing.
Last edited by Tzaphkiel; 12-06-2020 at 10:33 AM..
i don't teach people. i respect that people are capable of navigating their own life.
none the less the position stands.
since we have varying degrees of knowledge and experience how do we determine who(m) is more reliable?
Traph: a person does get to select their own criteria
vs
arach: we need to sit down and look at what we say.
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